Coronavirus ...

[morricab]

Do you guys have any data to support your belief that surgical masks are ineffective?

It doesn't seal properly and has no real filtration. You need a mask that covers mouth and nose and seals and the only inlet/outlet is through a filter of sufficient capability to trap very small airborne particles... there is one from 3M that seems to be good but not your standard surgical mask.

 

[morricab]

Do you guys have any data to support your belief that surgical masks are ineffective?

You need at least an N95 grade and preferrably N99 grade mask/respirator.

 

[analogsa]

Not sure there is any strong evidence even the best masks work. They need to be changed every few hours, while handled very carefully. How practical is this?

 

[BlueFox]

Interesting info on the masks. All we see on the news is entire populations wearing these useless, ineffective masks.

 

[marslo]

let’s try this

 

[spiritofmusic]

So we can eliminate it AND celebrate eliminating it at the same time?

 

[Blue58]

Interesting info on the masks. All we see on the news is entire populations wearing these useless, ineffective masks.

Masks were always used in countries if you had a cold/influenza to stop you spreading airborne particles etc and in Vietnam et.al. as a means of reducing the particulate matter you breathe in. Something I never understood is why we didn’t adopt and still don’t adopt this practice in the west. Are we too conscious of what we look like or embarrassed to say we have a cold?
it’s only now that we see people adopting the mask as a way of saying don’t breathe on me or keep away, I’m scared.
If it makes you feel ‘safer’ wear one.

 

[NorthStar]

let’s try this

If that was true beer stocks would be in a bull market, an alcoholic opportunity.

 

[NorthStar]

Masks were always used in countries if you had a cold/influenza to stop you spreading airborne particles etc and in Vietnam et.al. as a means of reducing the particulate matter you breathe in. Something I never understood is why we didn’t adopt and still don’t adopt this practice in the west. Are we too conscious of what we look like or embarrassed to say we have a cold?
it’s only now that we see people adopting the mask as a way of saying don’t breathe on me or keep away, I’m scared.
If it makes you feel ‘safer’ wear one.

The subject of masks is an interesting one ... we are no experts on surgical masks, etc., we're only here to learn about their use and efficiency ...
• https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4480558/

• https://www.scmp.com/news/china/art...e-germs-fingers-viruses-air-experts-say-after

* N95/N99

And they sure could be fashionable ...

People use them in protests, in riots, riding bikes in city streets, etc.
Just the smell of gasoline from car exhausts is killing me, I'm asthmatic and allergic to it. I have terrible headaches and it makes me vomit and gives me the flu. And I'm not kidding, I have a poor immune system. I wasn't always like that as I use to be in top shape for many many years climbing mountains and building forests on them.

Anyway from the experts a surgical mask offers minimal to zero protection against the Coronavirus. And even the ones that come with filters ... N95/N99 require frequent changes and careful maintenance.

 

[NorthStar]

Check this very short article, it is truly a very tough situation for nurses too ...
• https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...hinese-nurses-call-international-medical-aid/

 

[spiritofmusic]

Marc. Did you read the link that Bonzo posted. The death rate is about 2%. Mers is something like 60%. With something like Mers your health got bad so quickly you have to be hospitalized so soon. But this Covid19 you might not feel shit for two weeks without knowing you have it. And you walk around spreading this virus without you or other people knowing. Yes You might not even die from it if you are a very healthy individual and get treated properly. But think about how easy it camouflage itself and spread out. 1 million is 20,000 deaths. A thai 30 yrs old taxi driver picked up a stranger from airport. Met that person once and now he has the virus. I just came back from Japan. I want to go listen to your Zu, can you come pick me up at Heathrow?

I'll pick you up from Heathrow airport. No problem. You may suffer more listening to my Zus than anything I'll catch from you Lol.

 

[Duke LeJeune]

Did you read the link that Bonzo posted. The death rate is about 2%.

Imo it's hard to know what the morality rate really is.

It may be higher than 2% because, at the rate new cases are being added, probably 1/2 of the cases are less than a week old, meaning that for probably 1/2 of those 80,000 cases (as of today), the disease is far from having run its course. It would be interesting to know the morality rate among those for whom the disease has run its course.

On the other hand the mortality rate may be lower than 2%, IF there are actually far more than 80,000 cases, with the majority being undocumented simply because the people who have it never got sick enough to see a doctor. I've seen more than one article saying that the actual number of cases may be several times the reported number.

There does seem to be some good data on which groups have the highest mortality rates, which not surprisingly are the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions:

https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2020/...-statistics-by-age-gender-and-conditions.html

Apparently little kids are pretty good at fighting it off, which is good news.

There is a video graphic at this link showing the rate at which reported cases have been added each day, compared with a few other new diseases like SARS and H1N1. It's the one that says "Day 4 since outbreak" on its little screen. Watch what happens to the coronavirus cases starting around Day 19:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-four-maps-charts-depict-163128391.html

 

[Gregadd]

Unfortunately kids are little petrie dishes who make excellent carriers.

 

[Tango]

I'll pick you up from Heathrow airport. No problem. You may suffer more listening to my Zus than anything I'll catch from you Lol.

I would love to sit in the Citroen again and No suffering Marc. Btw, Ked said if I say your system fantastic four times in forum, You will give me a chiropractic session free for a year.

 

[NorthStar]

I'm not used to read news that tell you to stockpile on food and meds in Canada (to be prepared) in case of infection ... Coronavirus ...
• https://nationalpost.com/news/world...id19-covid-19-italy-china-canada-wuhan-deaths

 

[rando]

Apparently some fine capitalist mind has stepped in to... Well you can make up your own mind about this.

 

[Duke LeJeune]

Unfortunately kids are little petrie dishes who make excellent carriers.

Perhaps not in this case. Apparently kids are not contracting the coronavirus at high rates to begin with:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/only-handful-children-diagnosed-coronavirus-214300627.html

 

[NorthStar]

Up-to-date latest numbers ... worldwide:
? https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

By the way the Dow Jones industrial average in the last three days just wiped out $2 trillion.

* A look ahead of what tomorrow might have in reserve for the North American markets ...
• https://www.business-standard.com/p...could-guide-markets-today-120022700113_1.html

 

[spiritofmusic]

I would love to sit in the Citroen again and No suffering Marc. Btw, Ked said if I say your system fantastic four times in forum, You will give me a chiropractic session free for a year.

I said to Ked I know a great psychiatrist who would help him, but he strangely claimed he didn't need any help.

 

[Barry2013]

Here in the UK a couple more cases reported taking total to 16, Returnees from Northern Italy.
A news report on BBC TV last night that the Government in discussions with local authorities on contingency plans for big out break including sites for mass burial sites. A bit chilling really but has been in contingency plans in the past so not really new and a sensible precaution.