Coronavirus ...

[spiritofmusic]

Steve, it is pretty bracing being a medical professional running a very small couple of clinics. Luckily I'm maintaining my lists, indeed only one direct Corona related cancellation (not infection, just a patient being cautious). And new patients still booking, incl mums and babies.

My message about being upfront on potential risk, no pressure re cancellations, and visibility on being hygeine-oriented, seems to be going down well w patients.

 

[Tango]

Steve, it is pretty bracing being a medical professional running a very small couple of clinics. Luckily I'm maintaining my lists, indeed only one direct Corona related cancellation (not infection, just a patient being cautious). And new patients still booking, incl mums and babies.

My message about being upfront on potential risk, no pressure re cancellations, and visibility on being hygeine-oriented, seems to be going down well w patients.

Dear Marc,

As a chiropractic patient, my best advise to you is to show your patients how serious you are in preventing this virus. If they see you protect yourself at full extent they would actually feel safer. Don't think that they will be offended of your measures.You must have a protocol for your patient entering to your clinic. I also suggest no patient waiting, queuing inside your clinic. One patient at the time in your clinic.

Best wish from me,
Tang

 

[spiritofmusic]

Tang, appreciated. Ironically my patients stay in their car or out in open at the home clinic (no waiting room).

I guess I could ask patients in my busier clinic to stay in their cars as well.

Yes, it's actually good to break the ice by directly talking risk and strategies. People really value honesty.

We're known for our stiff upper lip in UK, no panic yet. But my business will be at severe risk potentially.

 

[NorthStar]

Howie,

You and I both know very well. Avoid airport!

I agree, anything remotely related to human transportation...aviation, subways, metros, railroads, buses, ...

 

[BlueFox]

Went to the grocery store today in Silicon Valley in CA. There were no shortages of anything, and no lines. However, I have to wonder how long this will last.

 

[DaveC]

NO POLITICS

 

[Tango]

AGREED
This is politic by intent. Should be deleted. No double standard moderation.

 

[NorthStar]

The source of the news says it all. ...Bombshell.

 

[NorthStar]

 

[Barry2013]

The UK Govt has today announced a very different strategy from many other countries to delay the Covid 19 outbreak.
It is not at this stage closing schools, universities etc or banning large scale gatherings. It has decided to avoid such measures at this stage in order to better develop herd immunity among the population while the number of serious cases is manageable. People who show any symptons are advised to stay at home. The rationale for not closing schools is that parents of scholl children, particularly of health service professionals, are thereby better able to continue working. A risk, of course, is that if they turn to grandparents for childcare more higher risk older people will become infected. A further consideration is that measures on the scale of those introduced in Italy will be more readily heeded if and when the situation becomes more serious.
Similarly with sports events like football they are concerned that if they were confined to playing behind closed doors more people would watch them in pubs and bars with greater risks of infection. Scotland is going to ban them to reduce the demand on police and health services which attend such events. The Premier League is meeting tomorrow to consider what to do and there are calls to suspend this year's football season although matches on Saturday as of today are still due to take place.
The Governments strategy is the result of its scientic, medical and epidemiologists advice. There are , however, other such experts who disagree.
To date in the UK 10 people have died from Covid 19 out of 590 confirmed cases The number tested is about 30,000.

 

[spiritofmusic]

We're about to see if that policy is a good one, while other countries start to shut down. Tbh, it seems we have smaller numbers known to be infected in the UK, people are fully informed and seemingly acting responsibly. There is real pressure on those at the lower end of the pay spectrum/gig workers etc, who will crucified if they're forced to self isolate in vast numbers. My business is over if we go the way of Italy, and I don't have the commercial clout or financial resources to just start from scratch again.

So let's see in the UK if directed "distancing" and relying on people to self isolate does the business. I can't see Italy recovering economically for years, if ever, from what they're currently doing.

 

[Lagonda]

Marc, your country and my country
are reacting to the current level
of contamination.
Italy is way beyond that, they are watching their parents and grandparents dying by the thousands,
this will probably change one’s perspective of the importance of
financials

 

[NorthStar]

The UK Govt has today announced a very different strategy from many other countries to delay the Covid 19 outbreak.
It is not at this stage closing schools, universities etc or banning large scale gatherings. It has decided to avoid such measures at this stage in order to better develop herd immunity among the population while the number of serious cases is manageable. People who show any symptons are advised to stay at home. The rationale for not closing schools is that parents of scholl children, particularly of health service professionals, are thereby better able to continue working. A risk, of course, is that if they turn to grandparents for childcare more higher risk older people will become infected. A further consideration is that measures on the scale of those introduced in Italy will be more readily heeded if and when the situation becomes more serious.
Similarly with sports events like football they are concerned that if they were confined to playing behind closed doors more people would watch them in pubs and bars with greater risks of infection. Scotland is going to ban them to reduce the demand on police and health services which attend such events. The Premier League is meeting tomorrow to consider what to do and there are calls to suspend this year's football season although matches on Saturday as of today are still due to take place.
The Governments strategy is the result of its scientic, medical and epidemiologists advice. There are , however, other such experts who disagree.
To date in the UK 10 people have died from Covid 19 out of 590 confirmed cases The number tested is about 30,000.

Barry, I found few links ...

? https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/national-strategy/index.html

• https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK143063/

• https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK525302/

 

[Barry2013]

Thanks Bob.
I have only quickly scanned the links which are very good.
That said it seems as if the earlier epidemics may not be the best guides as to how to contain Covid 19. In particular, it appears that the Covid 19 virus differs in its effects from other epidemics cited. Covid 19 is not life threatening to the vast majority of the population, but it is very dangerous to older people , those with other conditions and reduced immunity to infections.
It obviously is not going to go away quickly and even when it does there is a strong likelihood of further outbreaks in the future. Both now and for the future developing a large scale herd immunity is very beneficial.

 

[Al M.]

Two Covid-19 cases in Michigan (my state).

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news...2-cases-of-coronavirus-both-in-metro-detroit/


Two cases and it's a state of emergency?

What are we NOT being told?

State of emergency allows a governor to work independently of the federal government and impose commonsense measures, such like social distancing in terms of prohibiting gatherings of more than 250 people. State of emergency on the state level is invoked when the federal government is too plain stupid to do what it's supposed to do.

Two cases means nothing if the spread is exponential. In two weeks 2 cases can be 2,000 cases, and again exponentially grow from there.

 

[NorthStar]

A glimpse of hope?
• https://thehill.com/changing-americ...ert-coronavirus-pandemic-could-end-by-june-if

 

[NorthStar]

Thanks Bob.
I have only quickly scanned the links which are very good.
That said it seems as if the earlier epidemics may not be the best guides as to how to contain Covid 19. In particular, it appears that the Covid 19 virus differs in its effects from other epidemics cited. Covid 19 is not life threatening to the vast majority of the population, but it is very dangerous to older people , those with other conditions and reduced immunity to infections.
It obviously is not going to go away quickly and even when it does there is a strong likelihood of further outbreaks in the future. Both now and for the future developing a large scale herd immunity is very beneficial.

I agree, they need to collect new data for this new COVID-19.
And each country is different on many levels of preparation, and strategies.

The Chinese people seem to be best experienced and equipped.

 

[Tango]

We're about to see if that policy is a good one, while other countries start to shut down. Tbh, it seems we have smaller numbers known to be infected in the UK, people are fully informed and seemingly acting responsibly. There is real pressure on those at the lower end of the pay spectrum/gig workers etc, who will crucified if they're forced to self isolate in vast numbers. My business is over if we go the way of Italy, and I don't have the commercial clout or financial resources to just start from scratch again.

So let's see in the UK if directed "distancing" and relying on people to self isolate does the business. I can't see Italy recovering economically for years, if ever, from what they're currently doing.

I have about 350 people working for me. We will have Thai New Year holidays when people from allover go back home, gather and celebrate next months. Yesterday I just ordered my staffs no holidays. I will pay 3X for working not having holidays. If they want holidays next month, just leave a letter of resignation. Many people cannot afford no job for a month if a factory has to be quarantine when someone come back infected. Extreme measure yes but cost so little to avoid shit happens to them and my business. We also have required courses for our staffs to attend about how to live life in this period to bang on their heads that this thing is dead serious or else get the f-ck out.

 

[Lagonda]

Tang, hopefully the demand for your
products will stay high. A lot of
businesses have lost their customers
overnight. Being proactive is definitely the way to go in the current
situation, and don’t expect people to
do the right thing on their own.
Here in Denmark, the young people
initially went out to bars and restaurants to celebrate the forced
2 weeks “vacation “, now all places
have been shut down

 

[kach22i]

State of emergency allows a governor to work independently of the federal government and impose commonsense measures, such like social distancing in terms of prohibiting gatherings of more than 250 people. State of emergency on the state level is invoked when the federal government is too plain stupid to do what it's supposed to do.

Two cases means nothing if the spread is exponential. In two weeks 2 cases can be 2,000 cases, and again exponentially grow from there.

Yea, guess so.

Just watched about half of the video posted, things do add up rather quickly.

My wife said two people in our old neighborhood now have it. I don't think they have been tested, so might not get added to the official numbers just yet.

My wife said with couples in self isolation we could see a baby boom in about nine months.