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That's so sad. It's terrible. He can't make money anymore and he can't save lives anymore and he has enough hand soap now for all his family and neighborhood for the next twelve months.
That must hurt, to not be able to sell them for big profits. His bank account is going to suffer, how will he be able to sleep with an empty bank account and plenty of hand soap.

I feel deeply sorry for him. What a low life.
 
Come back Bob.

I'm not going anywhere; no plane trip, no boat trip, nothing trip.
What surprises me is how many people still don't realize what's happening.
Look @ Spain right now, Italy, France, Washington, ...
This is only the beginning.
 
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Pseudo rationality espoused by the article.

1. The death rate is ten fold higher than the flu.

2. Most importantly, the transmission rate is much higher than SARS, MERS, Ebola etc. The problem is the overloading of the healthcare system. In Italy doctors are forced to make life or death decisions on the fly, who gets treatment and who does not, because health care workers and hospital beds are scarce. We may have the same situation in the US.

That is why "flattening the curve" by social distancing is so important.

And don't forget, it's not the "media" so much as it is the epidemiologists who are ringing the alarm.
 

"Social Distancing" ... The French people (France) they don't like those two words for sure.
I was reading about that yesterday, and they find it "repugnant" many of them they said.

In times of pandemics we see the true human culture from each country; some of the good, and some of the worst. That guy who bought hand sanitizer to make profits on Amazon and eBay; it blows the mind. Greed is a highly contagions virus too, it kills the soul...the last frontier of human decency.

Social Distancing is imperative. The Italians use it @ best efficiency.
 
U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said this morning that the cost of the stimulus bill responding to the coronavirus crisis will likely be "significant but not huge."

I think this will not give the financial markets any comfort. I think he needed to say: "Fiscal stimulus will be beyond significant, beyond huge. It will be shock and awe gigantic."

On Friday I thought the minimum acceptable fiscal stimulus number to give the markets even the possibility of avoiding greater panic was US$500 billion. Now I think the minimum acceptable number is US$1 trillion.
 
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And don't forget, it's not the "media" so much as it is the epidemiologists who are ringing the alarm.

The virus expert scientists. And there was that 34-year old Chinese doctor who tried to alert us, but was arrested and died from the Corona himself he got from his patients.

Time is life ...

 
Any citizens left w shedloads of toilet rolls once this crisis is over should be obliged to eat their stash in public. Good source of fibre.
Ha, completely. One of the charity agencies here is now delivering emergency stocks of toilet paper to the over 80’s in need. The people who are most vulnerable, the people living off pensions and the unemployed are people who live week to week and have no capacity to stock up on anything normally. They are the ones really caught out by this. They can’t afford to provision.

I’ve been doing my mum’s shopping for the last year and a half because she doesn’t really have sufficient mobility these days but my dad who lives separately has been independent in this. But I don’t really want either of my parents in a shopping centre these days for so many reasons. So as much as I dislike shopping its better I go for them both now. As for proper ppe like masks there hasn’t been any available here right from the start. The supply chain had already been overwhelmed by the rest of the world in the early parts of this.

It’s not just risk of covid alone, or the idea that they may not get any consideration in a triage protocol, the elderly will get crunched by all the crazy flow on in a crisis. They’ll even get left out and more socially isolated because they are even more stuck at home as well. As for aged care that’s just asking for an early poor end. Just really hard for the vulnerable atm.
 
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U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said this morning that the cost of the stimulus bill responding to the coronavirus crisis will likely be "significant but not huge."

I think this will not give the financial markets any comfort. I think he needed to say: "Fiscal stimulus will be beyond significant, beyond huge. It will be shock and awe gigantic."

On Friday I thought the minimum acceptable fiscal stimulus number to give the markets even the possibility of avoiding greater panic was US$500 billion. Now I think the minimum acceptable number is US$1 trillion.

You are probably right, Ron.
 
Ha, completely. One of the charity agencies here is now delivering emergency stocks of toilet paper to the over 80’s in need. The people who are most vulnerable, the people living off pensions and the unemployed are people who live week to week and have no capacity to stock up on anything normally. They are the ones really caught out by this. They can’t afford to provision.

I’ve been doing my mum’s shopping for the last year and a half because she doesn’t really have sufficient mobility these days but my dad who lives separately has been independent in this. But I don’t really want either of my parents in a shopping centre these days for so many reasons. So as much as I dislike shopping its better I go for them both now. As for proper ppe like masks there hasn’t been any available here right from the start. The supply chain had already been overwhelmed by the rest of the world in the early parts of this.

It’s not just risk of covid alone, or the idea that they may not get any consideration in a triage protocol, the elderly will get crunched by all the crazy flow on in a crisis. They’ll even get left out and more socially isolated because they are even more stuck at home as well. As for aged care that’s just asking for an early poor end. Just really hard for the vulnerable atm.
Graham, the more I look at Boris's plan, the more it makes sense. It's to balance probable increased need in several weeks' time versus the push on resources if there was suddenly a surge now. Our NHS can only cope w one (sustained) surge. So the idea is not to push for self isolation now 4 months ahead of a likely peak. It's to manage risk early, and somehow ameliorate things for the next couple of months as demand starts to take off. Hence, no mass cancelling of schools or insistence 70+s quarantine now.

Also realistic conclusion the Brits don't follow orders well. It's not in our nature.
 
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Actually, I was thinking about a woodpecker sitting on Ked's shoulder.

Would have to be Rush-related to match my moniker.
 
Graham, the more I look at Boris's plan, the more it makes sense. It's to balance probable increased need in several weeks' time versus the push on resources if there was suddenly a surge now. Our NHS can only cope w one (sustained) surge. So the idea is not to push for self isolation now 4 months ahead of a likely peak. It's to manage risk early, and somehow ameliorate things for the next couple of months as demand starts to take off. Hence, no mass cancelling of schools or insistence 70+s quarantine now.

Also realistic conclusion the Brits don't follow orders well. It's not in our nature.

This is what a public health expert at Harvard thinks

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...st-britain-herd-immunity-coronavirus-covid-19
 
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Boris has now denied the plan is herd immunity. Now its purely managing/optimising one shot, and one shot only, at NHS coping w the coming storm.

Hopefully Boris will read this letter from close to 400 scientists in the UK
 

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Any number of amount of dollars won't save us from this.
Graham, the more I look at Boris's plan, the more it makes sense. It's to balance probable increased need in several weeks' time versus the push on resources if there was suddenly a surge now. Our NHS can only cope w one (sustained) surge. So the idea is not to push for self isolation now 4 months ahead of a likely peak. It's to manage risk early, and somehow ameliorate things for the next couple of months as demand starts to take off. Hence, no mass cancelling of schools or insistence 70+s quarantine now.

Also realistic conclusion the Brits don't follow orders well. It's not in our nature.
And maybe it’s sitting on your hands because you don’t want to pay
the price it will cost to save as many as possible :rolleyes:
In my country we are isolating, gearing up healthcare, sending people
home from work, compensating/ helping businesses and employees
financially, and hoping for the best:eek:
We will all take a financial hit, but hopefully few of our citizens will die.
 
And maybe it’s sitting on your hands because you don’t want to pay
the price it will cost to save as many as possible :rolleyes:
In my country we are isolating, gearing up healthcare, sending people
home from work, compensating/ helping businesses and employees
financially, and hoping for the best:eek:
We will all take a financial hit, but hopefully few of our citizens will die.
I certainly wouldn't ever want to make these decisions. Right now, noone knows what is best. Or even right. Least of all us. But I understand the Boris strategy. Is it right? Now you're asking.
 
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