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“Having a name matters to prevent the use of other names that can be inaccurate or stigmatizing,” Tedros ( WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus) added. “It also gives us a standard format to use for any future coronavirus outbreaks.”

COVID-19 would be the name referenced above that was instituted.

“We had to find a name that did not refer to a geographical location, an animal, an individual or group of people.”
 

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This virus is effecting economy more than anything else. More incidents in Italy with first death now. Asia traveling is more than half reduced. If continue to spread in EU, measures to make traveling more inconvenient will knock down tourist visits. @gian60 . Your country relies on tourism Chinese tourists especially same as mine. Your shit economy will get worse. And your plan for more CH will be delayed further. Kidding aside. This is worse than war imo.
 

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This virus is effecting economy more than anything else. More incidents in Italy with first death now. Asia traveling is more than half reduced. If continue to spread in EU, measures to make traveling more inconvenient will knock down tourist visits. @gian60 . Your country relies on tourism Chinese tourists especially same as mine. Your shit economy will get worse. And your plan for more CH will be delayed further. Kidding aside. This is worse than war imo.
8 billion dollars wiped off our educational sector here this semester just with Chinese international students gone MIA at the start of the year. International tourism is another core industry here ... well perhaps since our country went up in flames this year it isn’t just Corona but also then a global virus comes along plus the recent floods to take to our beaten up tourism sector somewhat like a hammer. Who wants to come and taste our wines when there is a drought and smoke taint and nobody wants to board a plane to get here let alone sharing a ship with others... the voyage of the damned.

It’s hard to rebound let alone get to robust again in an increasingly stressful global environment... all the current social, environmental and enmeshed economic impacts driving each other simultaneously down... not an easy start to the 20’s for anyone. Metal rat year is very appropriate, we are going to have to be cunning and flexible and clever like a rat to navigate through our current challenges and have a chance at keeping our heads anywhere near above the water.
 
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This virus is effecting economy more than anything else. More incidents in Italy with first death now. Asia traveling is more than half reduced. If continue to spread in EU, measures to make traveling more inconvenient will knock down tourist visits. @gian60 . Your country relies on tourism Chinese tourists especially same as mine. Your shit economy will get worse. And your plan for more CH will be delayed further. Kidding aside. This is worse than war imo.

Respectfully, nothing is worse than war. (When U.S. President Jimmy Carter in the 1970s declared that the oil embargo was "the moral equivalent of war" it fell on deaf ears -- because everybody knew there is no moral equivalent to war.)
 
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Respectfully, nothing is worse than war. (When U.S. President Jimmy Carter in the 1970s declared that the oil embargo was "the moral equivalent of war" it fell on deaf ears -- because everybody knew there is no moral equivalent to war.)

From Wikipedia:
The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, the deadliest in history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide—about one-third of the planet’s population—and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims, including some 675,000 Americans. The 1918 flu was first observed in Europe, the United States and parts of Asia before swiftly spreading around the world. At the time, there were no effective drugs or vaccines to treat this killer flu strain. Citizens were ordered to wear masks, schools, theaters and businesses were shuttered and bodies piled up in makeshift morgues before the virus ended its deadly global march.

The combined deaths from WW1 & 2 was 37 million. The Corona Virus is a serious threat, and could result in many more deaths than the all the wars of resent history.

Axpona (the largest audio show in North America) is coming in April. I was considering attending, but have serious reservations about any air travel
 

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Depending of the sources the number of deaths vary ...
? https://virus.stanford.edu/uda/

? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic

  • "Spanish flu, from 1918 to 1920. It infected 500 million people around the world, including people on remote Pacific islands and in the Arctic, and resulted in the deaths of 50 to 100 million people. Most influenza outbreaks disproportionately kill the very young and the very old, with higher survival rate for those in between, but the Spanish flu had an unusually high mortality rate for young adults. Spanish flu killed more people than World War I did and it killed more people in 25 weeks than AIDS did in its first 25 years. Mass troop movements and close quarters during World War I caused it to spread and mutate faster; the susceptibility of soldiers to Spanish flu might have been increased due to stress, malnourishment and chemical attacks. Improved transportation systems made it easier for soldiers, sailors, and civilian travelers to spread the disease."




    • "The "Spanish flu", 1918–1919. First identified early in March 1918 in US troops training at Camp Funston, Kansas. By October 1918, it had spread to become a worldwide pandemic on all continents, and eventually infected about one-third of the world's population (or ?500 million persons). Unusually deadly and virulent, it ended nearly as quickly as it began, vanishing completely within 18 months. In six months, some 50 million were dead; some estimates put the total of those killed worldwide at over twice that number. About 17 million died in India, 675,000 in the United States and 200,000 in the UK. The virus that caused Spanish flu was also implicated as a cause of encephalitis lethargica in children. The virus was recently reconstructed by scientists at the CDC studying remains preserved by the Alaskan permafrost. The H1N1 virus has a small, but crucial structure that is similar to the Spanish flu."









      • Economic consequences of pandemic events

"In 2016, the Commission on a Global Health Risk Framework for the Future estimated that pandemic disease events would cost the global economy over $6 trillion in the 21st century - over $60 billion per year. The same report also recommended spending $4.5 billion annually on global prevention and response capabilities to reduce the threat posed by pandemic events."

? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–20_coronavirus_outbreak

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If this spread the way the stats shows right now, by the third week of October this year the 7.8 billion population as we know it is annihilated completely. It's very simple to do the math.
 
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There is an 8-minute video in that above article; this is not a fake video, it's a serious video about the serious implications (global health and economics) of a possible pandemic.
 

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This virus is effecting economy more than anything else. More incidents in Italy with first death now. Asia traveling is more than half reduced. If continue to spread in EU, measures to make traveling more inconvenient will knock down tourist visits. @gian60 . Your country relies on tourism Chinese tourists especially same as mine. Your shit economy will get worse. And your plan for more CH will be delayed further. Kidding aside. This is worse than war imo.

Tang, you are quite right it goes without saying. This is a time when we put our priorities in order, human global health.

Anybody hearing how audio manufacturers are being affected by Chinas shutdown?

Hi Barry,

I don't know about the global audio market, but if the global economy takes a hit...there's a high possibility that the audio manufacturers will also be affected somehow. IMHO

First I pray that it doesn't keep that rhythm for the next couple months or more.
Than I'll start to be worry about much more than the audio manufacturer's world as we know it.
 

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Pandemic bonds ... World Bank fund set up to fight disease has been a waste of money, critics say
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/pandemic-bonds-1.5469646

Educative article; we're more interested in investing for financial security than health security ... our system.
It doesn't work.
 

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8 billion dollars wiped off our educational sector here this semester just with Chinese international students gone MIA at the start of the year. International tourism is another core industry here ... well perhaps since our country went up in flames this year it isn’t just Corona but also then a global virus comes along plus the recent floods to take to our beaten up tourism sector somewhat like a hammer. Who wants to come and taste our wines when there is a drought and smoke taint and nobody wants to board a plane to get here let alone sharing a ship with others... the voyage of the damned.

It’s hard to rebound let alone get to robust again in an increasingly stressful global environment... all the current social, environmental and enmeshed economic impacts driving each other simultaneously down... not an easy start to the 20’s for anyone. Metal rat year is very appropriate, we are going to have to be cunning and flexible and clever like a rat to navigate through our current challenges and have a chance at keeping our heads anywhere near above the water.
Which country are you referring to?
 

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This virus is effecting economy more than anything else. More incidents in Italy with first death now. Asia traveling is more than half reduced. If continue to spread in EU, measures to make traveling more inconvenient will knock down tourist visits. @gian60 . Your country relies on tourism Chinese tourists especially same as mine. Your shit economy will get worse. And your plan for more CH will be delayed further. Kidding aside. This is worse than war imo.
It was always about the economy. Indeed this is nothing. Imagine if it was TB resistant to all known antibiotics! No one would leave home and the economy would almost cease to exist.
 

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From Wikipedia:
The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, the deadliest in history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide—about one-third of the planet’s population—and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims, including some 675,000 Americans. The 1918 flu was first observed in Europe, the United States and parts of Asia before swiftly spreading around the world. At the time, there were no effective drugs or vaccines to treat this killer flu strain. Citizens were ordered to wear masks, schools, theaters and businesses were shuttered and bodies piled up in makeshift morgues before the virus ended its deadly global march.

The combined deaths from WW1 & 2 was 37 million. The Corona Virus is a serious threat, and could result in many more deaths than the all the wars of resent history.

Axpona (the largest audio show in North America) is coming in April. I was considering attending, but have serious reservations about any air travel
Spanish flu did not look like any other flu. Very high death rate especially among the young and virile. Lower death rate among the aged and very young babies. The opposite of normal. Peoples skin turned black. It was actually an auto-immune response. Covid-19 so far has a normal flu death rate. Cant compare to even the 1968 HK flu....much less Spanish Flu.
 

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Depending of the sources the number of deaths vary ...

If this spread the way the stats shows right now, by the third week of October this year the 7.8 billion population as we know it is annihilated completely. It's very simple to do the math.[/i]
Can you please bookmark this statement. Too often hyperbolic predictions are made and then "forgotten" until next time when they are trotted out again.

This extreme fear mongering in the face of recent history: SARS/MERS/BIRD FLU/SWINE FLU, etc is getting old. Based on normal flu patterns, flus dont survive the Summer montbs when vitamin D3 production via sunlight on the skin is very high. Vit D inhibits viral replication.

Furthermore, we focus on the wrong targets. According to PLOS, between 2.8m and 17m people a year die from pneumonia in China alone!!!.No panic there but global angst over 2,000 dead from a sexily named disease whose cause is confusing, if not even conflated with other causes of dwath in an extremely polluted city.

PLoS is a peer reviewed entity....the Public Library of Science.... plos.org
 
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