Detailed Speaker Setup and Optimization
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No , I sell them through a dealer.
If requested by the dealer sure .
Ps By the way you have corner horns , makes life easy
Ps By the way you have corner horns , makes life easy
I have heard not Andro. It depends on what corner horn speakers. Apparently, JBL and Tannoy corner horns can simply be placed in the corners are not that fussy, but my Vitavox need to be precisely symmetrical.
I live in a very old house with uneven floors and uneven walls. I’ve been using my bubble level and laser pointer position them precisely in the corners, symmetrical to each other, and equidistant to a spot on the wall behind me.
I have noticed a marked improvement in the presentation, mostly in the projection and scale of energy into the room and in clarity. The listening experience is more immediate and more natural.
Yes, my corner horns go in the corners of the room, but there’s more to it than that. Fractions of an inch at 17 feet from the corners, are clearly audible at the listening seat and as one walks around the room.
The other interesting thing about optimizing speaker position is that I have found once I am successful, each recording has a particular volume setting where it sounds most realistic.
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Gentlemen, this is not a speaker comparison. At least, not on this thread.
Setup, as Todd (sbnx) describes is 100% on point and IME? There aren't many people in the area (world) that actually pay very precise attention to his point, as he does and I do. There are others as well.
The differences are just now coming into light for those who have tried.
What I don't get is this. It's free. Unless one wants to use tools to help them get there faster? This is all free.
The folks on this forum (and others) will spend untold amounts to get the very best out of their system. I get that. No worries. My point is....whenever this gets out of whack for whatever reason?
Are you gonna do the same thing....or resolve it yourself? It does take some effort, time and tools....but it can be done.....to great effect.
Tom
Setup, as Todd (sbnx) describes is 100% on point and IME? There aren't many people in the area (world) that actually pay very precise attention to his point, as he does and I do. There are others as well.
The differences are just now coming into light for those who have tried.
What I don't get is this. It's free. Unless one wants to use tools to help them get there faster? This is all free.
The folks on this forum (and others) will spend untold amounts to get the very best out of their system. I get that. No worries. My point is....whenever this gets out of whack for whatever reason?
Are you gonna do the same thing....or resolve it yourself? It does take some effort, time and tools....but it can be done.....to great effect.
Tom
When I decided to consider moving my config this past week, I started by testing new listening positions. To do that, I used REW RTA mode and Sheffield Lab 20hz to 300hz pink noise. Allowing REW to listen for 10 seconds and then comparing the peak measurements for various positions.
I don’t claim it’s the only way to do it, I could have run frequency sweeps as well but this seemed to work well for me.
How do others determine their listening position? Use your ears? Other measurements?
I don’t claim it’s the only way to do it, I could have run frequency sweeps as well but this seemed to work well for me.
How do others determine their listening position? Use your ears? Other measurements?
Thank you for starting this topic.
I think this topic is very important and most audiophiles have no idea about it.
Well you admitted you hit the spot twice since 2000 , so where does it put you .
So you admit that you only got 2 happy customers in all those years
It was not my audio system and I were not in this business before 2018. I was a high end blogger since 2000.
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First experience: One day (around 2005) in showroom of a distributor in tehran me and my friends were there for listening to two amplifier with my speakers. We shipped my speakers to there and placed them, no setup no adjustment and it was the chance the speakers placed in a good position.
I remember the sound was incredible and the difference between two amplifiers was minor.
Second Experience: one night (around 2009) I was in home of my friend, his wife was not in home and we pushed furniture away and moved speakers away from back wall , it was quite accident and there was no adjustment, the sound shocked both of us. I remember that night I backed home and searched internet to find similar experience and I just find Goodsoundclub.com article about DPOLS. If you check my id in goodsoundclub you will see my first post was about DPOLS.
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First experience: One day (around 2005) in showroom of a distributor in tehran me and my friends were there for listening to two amplifier with my speakers. We shipped my speakers to there and placed them, no setup no adjustment and it was the chance the speakers placed in a good position.
I remember the sound was incredible and the difference between two amplifiers was minor.
Second Experience: one night (around 2009) I was in home of my friend, his wife was not in home and we pushed furniture away and moved speakers away from back wall , it was quite accident and there was no adjustment, the sound shocked both of us. I remember that night I backed home and searched internet to find similar experience and I just find Goodsoundclub.com article about DPOLS. If you check my id in goodsoundclub you will see my first post was about DPOLS.
Well you admitted you hit the spot twice since 2000 , so where does it put you .
So you admit that you only got 2 happy customers in all those years
What are we discussing exactly ?
I decided yesterday to change the speakers to the long side of the room .
Took me a day or so to find a good position , its not that hard ( if the room allows )
Only be ear , its nice to hear the expanded soundstage / improved focus
( experimental felt around tw)
Maison de maitre in Brussels , 4 meter plus high ceilings .
A very experienced sales person at a dealer ( who i know for a very long time ), said the easiest to set up / best sounding were rooms in houses built around the 19OO s
Took me a day or so to find a good position , its not that hard ( if the room allows )
Only be ear , its nice to hear the expanded soundstage / improved focus
( experimental felt around tw)
Maison de maitre in Brussels , 4 meter plus high ceilings .
A very experienced sales person at a dealer ( who i know for a very long time ), said the easiest to set up / best sounding were rooms in houses built around the 19OO s
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Really? I can't remember seeing a speaker manual that doesn't address placement. Admittedly it's general giving a range of degree's for toe in and a rudimentary for height and doesn't really go into details. So they really shouldn't be completely ignorant being such an important basic requirement.
As a dealer? You don't discuss placement or does it even come up especially with more seasoned owners who you know are upgrading? For example positioning mono, omni and bi-poles if changing from one to another?
Might want to start a clinic!
Rob
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Holy crap - I poke around here a bit here and there and don't know all the forum players, but are you a business who actually acts like this on this forum? Talk about killing your reputation.Well you admitted you hit the spot twice since 2000 , so where does it put you .
So you admit that you only got 2 happy customers in all those years
It seems many of your posts have this same tone to them.
If memory serves it was that he can make these (Rockports) sound like Wilsons.
Why buy expensive speakers, because I don't think he meant he can make a $2K speaker sound like a $200K speaker. Speakers of similar size and performance.
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Elliot G.
Industry Expert
I'm sorry but I am not buying that. I know Stirling a long time and that doesn't sound like an accurate quote.
In my ~40 years experiencing HiFi audio and more so as of recent I'd say more speakers sound alike than different and other variables collectively (room design and treatment (or lack thereof) source, preamp and amplification, cables and listening position) and speaker positioning are equally if not more important.
Net - you're greatly undervaluing all above. Does this mean a Magnepan will sound like Aries Cerat horns? No, but I'd say 80+% of our speakers are cones in boxes and there's more in common than not. And I'd say this aligns to ST, who's recognized as a leading pro's comment (see my other post) about making speakers sound like other brands.
Elliot G.
Industry Expert
I agree that good products do many of the same things well and therefore a great system will have much in common with other great systems... It is like all cars will approx do the same thing its just they do it differently in some ways.
I have had that conversation with Stirling and others. This is how we recognize that a system is actully doing a great job playing the music we know. It is not however an act of magic or impersonation. I say it again that great systems do more things alike than they do differently but they are all different in some ways.
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