Does the Audiophile Community Have a Problem?

[spiritofmusic]

Three if he's married.

 

[Ron Resnick]

There has only been a small handful of women in the hobby and there is scant evidence that this is by anything but personal choice. Saying we need to change how we speak and act for the sake of some faux inclusivity is bollocks.

I think this attitude may be exactly why there are so few women in the hobby.

Members may need to change how they post and interact to satisfy the decorum and cordiality standard of WBF.

Did it occur to a logician such as yourself that the "personal choice" decision by women not to participate in the hobby might be the result of men's attitudes toward women in the hobby?

 

[spiritofmusic]

No, Ron...women have better things to do then obsess about music and gear. Our general grumpy unsociability as men is just the icing on the cake as to why this hobby is one hugely male-oriented pursuit.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Our general grumpy unsociability as men is just the icing on the cake as to why this hobby is one hugely male-oriented pursuit.

Well . . . then . . . stop being grumpy and unsociable!

 

[morricab]

So you have two money losing hobbies?

Happily a winning player that funds this hobby!

 

[spiritofmusic]

Well . . . then . . . stop being grumpy and unsociable!

You sound kinda grumpy and unsociable yourself, Ron lol.

 

[dminches]

I think younger generations will have an easier time keeping civil on line since they will have been relating that way their whole life. Older folks have not really learned to make that transition smoothly.

I had a client who I had not yet met in person who seemed resistant to helping me get my work done. However, once we met in person the relationship completely changed. He trusted me and was now happy working together.

Many people on line have never met and I think that drives some of the aggressive behavior. Once you have met in person it changes everything. There is more of a desire to make the friendship good and more of a realization that there is person behind the screen name.

<psychology rant off>

 

[Kingrex]

How about we flip the coin. Stop asking why are women not into this hobby. Why don't we find a women forum that is under served by old men and en mass join and participate.

As I was amusing myself with the thought, my mind went to, would they even want our participation. I highly doubt they would.

 

[spiritofmusic]

I think younger generations will have an easier time keeping civil on line since they will have been relating that way their whole life. Older folks have not really learned to make that transition smoothly.

I had a client who I had not yet met in person who seemed resistant to helping me get my work done. However, once we met in person the relationship completely changed. He trusted me and was now happy working together.

Many people on line have never met and I think that drives some of the aggressive behavior. Once you have met in person it changes everything. There is more of a desire to make the friendship good and more of a realization that there is person behind the screen name.

<psychology rant off>

You're joking, yes?
Have you been on campus recently?
In the UK, a prestigious head of her own dance school has recently been cancelled by her own students, I'm not seeing any civility from young people here.

 

[spiritofmusic]

How about we flip the coin. Stop asking why are women not into this hobby. Why don't we find a women forum that is under served by old men and en mass join and participate.

As I was amusing myself with the thought, my mind went to, would they even want our participation. I highly doubt they would.

Women suffer enough by us, why torture them even more? Lol.

 

[Kingrex]

My wife actually likes my participation in her hobbies. Her favorite is walking around the house, pointing at things like the lawn, dishes, dirty floors etc and having me clean them.

 

[dminches]

You're joking, yes?
Have you been on campus recently?
In the UK, a prestigious head of her own dance school has recently been cancelled by her own students, I'm not seeing any civility from young people here.

No, I am not joking nor was I talking about kids when they are young. I am talking about how they will behave when they get to be our age. Maybe that wasn’t clear in my comments.

 

[spiritofmusic]

I have zero confidence. I don't suspect they'll be arguing about hifi. But they'll still be arguing.
Social media has totally distorted our modes of discourse and our natural filters.
Just look at most Trip Advisor reviews for restaraunts and hotels, 95% of negative reviews are disgusting in their unrestrained vitriol.
That's not changing.

 

[spiritofmusic]

My wife actually likes my participation in her hobbies. Her favorite is walking around the house, pointing at things like the lawn, dishes, dirty floors etc and having me clean them.

By special invitation only.

 

[bonzo75]

I have zero confidence. I don't suspect they'll be arguing about hifi. But they'll still be arguing.
Social media has totally distorted our modes of discourse and our natural filters.
Just look at most Trip Advisor reviews for restaraunts and hotels, 95% of negative reviews are disgusting in their unrestrained vitriol.
That's not changing.

Maybe that's the reason women don't go to restaurants.

 

[dminches]

I have zero confidence. I don't suspect they'll be arguing about hifi. But they'll still be arguing.
Social media has totally distorted our modes of discourse and our natural filters.
Just look at most Trip Advisor reviews for restaraunts and hotels, 95% of negative reviews are disgusting in their unrestrained vitriol.
That's not changing.

I can’t predict.

My more important point was the effect of meeting people in person.

 

[bonzo75]

I can’t predict.

My more important point was the effect of meeting people in person.

Go meet a person, get friendly, then come back online and don't praise his system to high heaven. Try saying anything less than superlative. The vitriol will follow

 

[spiritofmusic]

I can’t predict.

My more important point was the effect of meeting people in person.

We can agree on that.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Go meet a person, get friendly, then come back online and don't praise his system to high heaven. Try saying anything less than superlative. The vitriol will follow

Well, that's the point. Meet. And leave it at that, or think about very carefully in your choice of online words. What you say likely will say more about you than them.

 

[Bobvin]

My wife, bless her heart, is a good deal more practical and much smarter than I. She enjoys the hobby but just can’t sit still for the same length of time as myself. Our musical tastes vary too I get impatient if the playlist includes a lot of 70‘s disco.

I think it is OK to accept the fact there is some stuff that guys are into, some stuff women are into. Sure there is cross over and exceptions, but I think wanting more women in the hobby is because men like women and they are more fun to look at than a wall covered with “absorbers.”