Entreq Tellus grounding,in england

[amirm]

If the technical critics of Entreq make no similar criticisms of MIT and Tara Labs what should we conclude?

I for one am equal opportunity troublemaker (as Kings of Audio can be). So create a new thread on those, make it clear we are going to have a food fight so that feelings are not hurt and I will be right there with the same spirit.

 

[amirm]

I always wonder why other folk are so concerned at what others spend their money on.. my money , my choice .. don't rain on my parade

We are here because both sides like to rain on the other guy's parade. It is called an audio forum . That is what motivates us: lots of hormones we are born with. We like to finish on top in front of others so we argue. Let's not cheapen the other guy's motivation when the same applies to us .

 

[Barry2013]

I for one am equal opportunity troublemaker (as Kings of Audio can be). So create a new thread on those, make it clear we are going to have a food fight so that feelings are not hurt and I will be right there with the same spirit.

Thanks Amir.
Would it be too much to ask you to transfer my post 197 and the exchange with Purite to a new such thread entitled Entreq - MIT - Tara Labs Cable (grounding)

 

[jkeny]

What weaknesses? Audio has nothing to do with USB data transfer. So if it isolates the PC from the DAC and cleans up the USB eye pattern whats it not doing? The regen doesnt isolate, in fact it creates a ground issue. I suggest you read the following (post 6) to understand what the Intona does.
http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showt...-USB-isolator!&p=362795&viewfull=1#post362795

I know what the Intona does & how it does it - I also know it's design weaknesses for it's role in audio (which it was never designed for) - you obviously don't

Oh I think people connecting boxes of kitty litter to their hifis is pretty comical.

You have misundertood. I havent made any claims. If you look at what I have said it was "if you feel the need to connect your equiment grounds together"...................then yes a cheap bit of ordinary cable IS going to do a better job.

No misunderstanding on my part - but I see ample evidence of your claims which you now try to deny "if these boxes are genuinely creating benefit due to improving the "grounding" of your system then yes there quite obviously is something deficient in its grounding regime." and later "if it is a problem in your system then use cheap cable to link the units. An expensive box with bent bits of copper and kitty litter inside is totally unnecessary and certainly less effective."

 

[Geardaddy]

You would be content then to have spent thousands of dollars, Tripont something or other is $50k on a product that has no effect whatsoever?
You wouldn't feel the tiniest bit deceived?
Keith.

The Audio Exotics gang who have a SOTA listening room with an almost 7 figure system use Tripoint:

http://www.monoandstereo.com/2014/08/audio-exotics-super-hi-end-show-2014.html#more.

Do they need to hire you as a consultant? They had the "Universe" Cessaro horns at their 2015 show. Maybe in 2016 the whole gang should convene in your living room and hear how its done....

 

[Folsom]

I don't understand why we aren't discussing the validity of me choosing eggs or a protein shake for breakfast... oh wait because the topic here is Entreq Tellus .

For those of you that haven't downloaded the files that were recorded with and without Entreq, I highly suggest you do so. I have no comment which is prefered, but they are different.

 

[amirm]

Thanks Amir.
Would it be too much to ask you to transfer my post 197 and the exchange with Purite to a new such thread entitled Entreq - MIT - Tara Labs Cable (grounding)

I don't think that is wise Barry. My experience is that one heated debate is too much for our membership. A second one in parallel just blows the top as far as complaints we get behind the scenes, hurt feelings, etc. So let's let this one die down and if there is interest we can jump on that. Hope you understand .

 

[Purite Audio]

So why do cables with similar capacitance sound different?
And what about the MIT and Tara Lab cables and boxes?

Cables with similar electrical parameters will sound identical, one can measure LCR and some manufacturers even supply the values of their cables.
The cables which have resistors are acting as a ( hugely expensive ) tone control, if you want to roll off treble a little there are h
cheaper ways of doing it.
No one has ever been able to distinguish between similarly specced cables in a properly conducted unsighted comparison.
Keith.

 

[Barry2013]

I don't think that is wise Barry. My experience is that one heated debate is too much for our membership. A second one in parallel just blows the top as far as complaints we get behind the scenes, hurt feelings, etc. So let's let this one die down and if there is interest we can jump on that. Hope you understand .

OK by me on the assumption that the Entreq/MIT/Tara Labs comparison is accepted as a valid and relevant issue to this debate.
Also to make clear that I am not in anyway seeking to criticise or to denigrate MIT/Tara Labs cables and boxes. Simply contrasting the different responses to the three products.

 

[Purite Audio]

The Audio Exotics gang who have a SOTA listening room with an almost 7 figure system that uses grounding http://www.monoandstereo.com/2014/08/audio-exotics-super-hi-end-show-2014.html#more. Do they need to hire you as a consultant? They had the "Universe" Cessaro horns at their 2015 get together. Maybe in 2016 they whole gang should convene in your living room and hear how its done....

You are equating amount spent with sound quality?
Keith.

 

[Folsom]

Cables with similar electrical parameters will sound identical, one can measure LCR and some manufacturers even supply the values of their cables.
The cables which have resistors are acting as a ( hugely expensive ) tone control, if you want to roll off treble a little there are h
cheaper ways of doing it.
No one has ever been able to distinguish between similarly specced cables in a properly conducted unsighted comparison.
Keith.

Keith, adding a resistor has different effects depending on which conductor it is in series with, or if it's bypassing. If it's bypassing it will load your source different and may act like a tone control. If it's in series the only "tone" control is that of the sonic changes the resistor offers, and isn't going to change frequency response. But depending on which conductor it is on it can have an affect on the quality of a shield/ground attenuation.

I posted a bit back about how it's possible for the LCR to be different between cables in ways that are not commonly thought about. It's worth considering. However I don't expect someone to be able to AB cables easily. But that's not how we buy either; we use the same cable for months and then try a new one. It's pretty easy to hear a difference then.

 

[Barry2013]

I don't understand why we aren't discussing the validity of me choosing eggs or a protein shake for breakfast... oh wait because the topic here is Entreq Tellus .

For those of you that haven't downloaded the files that were recorded with and without Entreq, I highly suggest you do so. I have no comment which is prefered, but they are different.

Amir can we look to you to download this hard data and let us know your findings?

 

[Don Hills]

... I was front row at a John grant gig in Brighton a few months back... Sound was out of this world, normally I don't think much of events like these fidelity wise. No cables that were £2000 per inch, no insane isolation devices, no stillpoints! No entreq, no tripoint... Etc...

And crucially, industry best practice in cable topology and equipment grounding.

 

[amirm]

Amir can we look to you to download this hard data and let us know your findings?

If it is the before and after entreq files, I downloaded them and commented already that the levels visually were different. I tried using diffmaker to analyze them and it broke as always. So I need to do it manually which is more time consuming. I will also listen to them and report.

 

[esldude]

Haven't read this entire thread, where are the before and after Entreq files to download?

 

[amirm]

Haven't read this entire thread, where are the before and after Entreq files to download?

Here it is (if the link is still good):

For those emailing me asking about the comparison files I made, here is the link:

https://www.sendspace.com/file/cetdtp

Note: I have to temporarily disable my Internet Explorer smart screen filter to download it, so re-enable it if you have to disable it once the file is downloaded.

And as I said in the other thread, you are free to measure and compare the two files till the cows come home, but please do it and report in the appropriate forum (measurement forum) as I have no interest in the results and will not debate them. I do not wish to debate them as I am academically unqualified (and unqualified on account of lack of scientific experience and the lack of measuring scientific equipment) to discuss objective measurements or formulate opinions based upon them. In any case, since the two files come from a "live" analogue input source, the files can't be nulled out, for example.

 

[Folsom]

Haven't read this entire thread, where are the before and after Entreq files to download?

Here

 

[esldude]

Thank you both, I have downloaded the files.

Looks like the w/Entreq file is about +.4 db louder.


Edit to fix a mistake: The w/Entreq file is about .4 db quieter. The left channel runs .4 db quieter while the right channel is between .3 and .4 db quieter.

 

[Barry2013]

If it is the before and after entreq files, I downloaded them and commented already that the levels visually were different. I tried using diffmaker to analyze them and it broke as always. So I need to do it manually which is more time consuming. I will also listen to them and report.

Thanks Amir.
Appreciate that

 

[Folsom]

Thank you both, I have downloaded the files.

Looks like the w/Entreq file is about +.4 db louder.

Can you adjust it, and then compare?

The man who did the recording said nothing changed. Maybe Entreq's lower your volume?