A late visit from Santa, eh Barry?
Excellent news
If i EVER get my system fully running, I'm sure to look at it
Excellent news
If i EVER get my system fully running, I'm sure to look at it
Entreq Tellus grounding
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Thanks Marc.
You'll get there.
All best wishes for 2017 and if you are in this neck of the woods you are always welcome to come and listen to it.
Yes of course.
The Olympus itself is 46kgs and it is W40xH20xD50 cms.
Not sure of the figs for when it is boxed but the box itself is sturdy and heavy so as to protect the ground box.
The mains earth lead is effectively a mandatory buy.
PS
At the risk of teaching you to suck eggs put the system back together in stages!
Oh, it's coming along Barry
There's already early signs that my Zus are sounding more balanced in the new space which seems to be producing less nodes, certainly slap echo is more manageable
I'm just in the middle of reconfiguring amps w new tubes, and struggling a bit dialling in my cart
An ongoing journey
Anyhow, really good to hear the Olympus Tellus is such a positive upgrade, and it's a route I may well go down myself once everything is optimal
There's already early signs that my Zus are sounding more balanced in the new space which seems to be producing less nodes, certainly slap echo is more manageable
I'm just in the middle of reconfiguring amps w new tubes, and struggling a bit dialling in my cart
An ongoing journey
Anyhow, really good to hear the Olympus Tellus is such a positive upgrade, and it's a route I may well go down myself once everything is optimal
Thanks. As far as I can understand this box has replaced all the other grounding boxes and is a final Entreq solution?
Not quite microstrip.
In addition to the Olympus I still have an Entreq Poseidon and two Silver Tellus. The former is three self contained Olympus Minimus boxes and is used to ground the negative speaker terminals on my amp and speakers and the amp itself. The former application requires separate or self contained boxes and is very effective in mine and other systems. The two Silver Tellus are used to earth the sources the Entreq three shelf Athena Rack.
The Olympus Tellus is the top of the range grounding box with seven grounding terminals one of which is a dedicated copper grounding post for the mains earth lead. All the sources are grounded to one of the boxes via spare inputs and the Entreq Apollo interconnects and Challenger speaker cables also have separate ground leads to one of the terminals on the box. Six of those terminals have the Everest grounding posts. See my earlier posts on this thread.
Hope that is clear and should you take a look at the official Entreq site it will all being well make it easier to digest.
In addition to the Olympus I still have an Entreq Poseidon and two Silver Tellus. The former is three self contained Olympus Minimus boxes and is used to ground the negative speaker terminals on my amp and speakers and the amp itself. The former application requires separate or self contained boxes and is very effective in mine and other systems. The two Silver Tellus are used to earth the sources the Entreq three shelf Athena Rack.
The Olympus Tellus is the top of the range grounding box with seven grounding terminals one of which is a dedicated copper grounding post for the mains earth lead. All the sources are grounded to one of the boxes via spare inputs and the Entreq Apollo interconnects and Challenger speaker cables also have separate ground leads to one of the terminals on the box. Six of those terminals have the Everest grounding posts. See my earlier posts on this thread.
Hope that is clear and should you take a look at the official Entreq site it will all being well make it easier to digest.
Thanks! Now I am really confused!
I went through the site, but could not see a logic in the way the products should be used.Thanks Paolo and a happy new year to you.
The Olympus is proving a great start to my new year and your recommendation to upgrade the earth cables to Atlantis for the Poseidon/amp negative speaker terminals has proved to be a really worthwhile upgrade.
The Olympus is proving a great start to my new year and your recommendation to upgrade the earth cables to Atlantis for the Poseidon/amp negative speaker terminals has proved to be a really worthwhile upgrade.
Thanks! Now I am really confused!
My fault I am sure.
Let me try again.
The raison d'etre of Entreq is signal grounding principally for amps and sources and there is a range of earth leads of different qualities and price. Since I started down this road the range of products has expanded and were I now starting from scratch I would do it differently, more expensively initially but more cost effectively.
I would now start with the Olympus which will enable you to ground a minimum of six amps/ sources but will take up to 12. In addition it has a dedicated connection for a mains earth lead which is a definite bonus.As for earth cables systems can vary but the Apollos rarely disappoint and the Challengers are also good and less expensive. Atlantis are the top of the range but deservedly so.
The other application which has been a great success in mine and others' systems has been to ground the negative speakers terminals of my Vitus 025 SIA. You will see from the manuals section of the Entreq site how to do that and how you need two separate Minimus boxes or a bigger box with two self contained grounding boxes. The Poseidon is the best choice and the more expensive option but two Minimus boxes will do the job as will the new Tellus II ground box. The latter would leave you with only one spare grounding post and Minimus boxes are really only adequate for one unit.
So far as I am aware there are no issues with panel speakers for that application but I haven't heard of it being used for such speakers so it would be sensible to check first. If there were a problem I think I would have heard by now.
Entreq are very good at letting you try their products before you buy so their dealer(s) in Portugal should be able to help, but if that option is not open to you I am sure Entreq would be able to help or to point you to their nearest dealer. If you decided not to buy they will expect you to meet the cost of returning the items.
So question 1 for you is how many items do I want to ground and with which ground box(es) and with which earth cables.
I'm conscious I started this reply with the expensive options which I think are the best value but the less expensive options are very effective and if you do try them I don't think you will be disappointed.
I hope that is clearer and do come back to me if it is still not clear and I'll do my best to resolve any outstanding queries
It wouldn't surprise me if the majority of Entreq devotees would do it again differently (even if only slightly) given the experience and knowledge they have gained since first using the products. I know I would. I guess some of that comes from some users taking baby toe-in-the-water steps at first perhaps because of a sceptical bias toward the products (I plead guilty) but more often I think it is because the systems will inevitably evolve with use of the products and with that evolution, new possibilities for even further improvements arise. Additionally, ideas that perhaps might have been rejected in the past suddenly become viable (again, I plead guilty). For example, my first experience with Entreq resolved some issues that had precluded me from trying silver cables. But once I had the Entreq gear, I bit the bullet and bought a Wireworld Reference pure silver interconnect.
That in turn opened up new possibilities, since it actually made the system even smoother and more transparent which gave me the guts to try the K2 knobs (which add clarity and focus - not necessarily something you want if your system is not already smooth sounding to the ear). And after those further improved the system, I found that fuses improved it yet again. But had I for, example, tried that first silver interconnect without any Entreq equipment, I wouldn't have been prepared to continue to experiment, as the cable would have revealed flaws that the Entreq gear is able to address. And the fuses would have made the system sound over the top. But they don't with the Entreq boxes and K2 knobs and Wireworld silver cable.
That in turn opened up new possibilities, since it actually made the system even smoother and more transparent which gave me the guts to try the K2 knobs (which add clarity and focus - not necessarily something you want if your system is not already smooth sounding to the ear). And after those further improved the system, I found that fuses improved it yet again. But had I for, example, tried that first silver interconnect without any Entreq equipment, I wouldn't have been prepared to continue to experiment, as the cable would have revealed flaws that the Entreq gear is able to address. And the fuses would have made the system sound over the top. But they don't with the Entreq boxes and K2 knobs and Wireworld silver cable.
I think I understand now. You are not using the Olympus for grounding both negative SIA-025 speaker terminals because it would cause a short? You must have two separate grounding boxes?
Regards
Cyclopse
Yes Cyclopse I use my Poseidon for the negative speaker/amp grounding and for the amp grounding through an input on the amp.
The two Siver Tellus and Olympus ground boxes are used to ground my sources, some Entreq interconnects and speaker cables and the dedicated post on the Olympus to an unused mains outlet
If i have not grounded the amps, nor the speakers, nor the sub (where there is apparently a lot of emi apparently)...where would you suggest i start on these 3?
with my Poseidon I got a nice little bump up in performance grounding the negative speaker terminals with 2 of the three boxes.
but my un-expected big step up was when I grounded the -4- (2 per bass tower) plate amps in my bass towers to the third Poseidon box. something a little crazy happened in terms of holographic imaging. it was not subtle.
not sure it would affect every system the same as it's the last of very many steps. but it really made a difference. note that my bass towers are essentially time and phase aligned with my main towers.
it is a challenge getting effective grounding connections where there is not a grounding post designed in. so that can also become significant to know what is causing what.
I have not yet grounded the chassis on my dart mono blocks. maybe at some point I will try that.....with either another Entreq box or an additional Tripoint Troy box.
Hi Lloyd.
I would start with the preamp and power amp. I only use my sub for AV purposes so not sure where that would come into the appropriate priorities for your system particularly as I seem to recall that grounding your Wilsons is a big job, and how grounding the sub would work in the absence of grounding the main speakers would need to be investigated.
Aside from that my next priority would be the Zanden front end using a separate ground box from any analogue components. As I think you are aware Entreq advise against mixing any earth cables to digital and analogue components on the same binding post of a ground box.
Thanks! I have grounded Preamp and Zanden to different posts on Tripoint. I have no more space on the back of the Tripoint, so it would have to be 'from scratch'. will consider amp given how much universal praise there has been for this.
Barry,
To ground amp, how are you doing this? There is not grounding post on the Gryphon and i could barely find any screws...the possible one or 2 on the underside do not allow one to ground according to Gryphon. Are you connecting the Grounding box via grounding cable to one of the XLR inputs or the speaker outputs? Definitely do not want to blow anything up so asking first. Will check with Distributor first in any event, but thought i would ask you in the meantime.
To ground amp, how are you doing this? There is not grounding post on the Gryphon and i could barely find any screws...the possible one or 2 on the underside do not allow one to ground according to Gryphon. Are you connecting the Grounding box via grounding cable to one of the XLR inputs or the speaker outputs? Definitely do not want to blow anything up so asking first. Will check with Distributor first in any event, but thought i would ask you in the meantime.
