Entreq Tellus grounding

[HK Panda]

Well had a bit of a breakthrough tonight. After switching in/out Peak4s / wood knobs in different locations, and I could hear changes, but it seems I was exchanging detail and nuances, for warmth, and while each has it's positive attributes, I still was not satisfied. I felt something other than the cable terminations must be a factor. Then I realized in moving around all the equipment to make room for the Pluton, I had moved a Panzerholz platform from under the integrated amp, and put that under the Pluton, and I used another non-Panzerholz for under the amp. So tonight I took an extra Panzerholz platform (double stack) I was using under my DAC, and took one of them and put that under the amp, and after that, with the Peak4s in place, I got the detail and nuances and remained musical and warm. The first 10 seconds of the first track I knew it was right. I spent the rest of the night listening to a complete album, track 1 till track 12, which for me is usually an indication that the music sounds right.

 

[LL21]

Well had a bit of a breakthrough tonight. After switching in/out Peak4s / wood knobs in different locations, and I could hear changes, but it seems I was exchanging detail and nuances, for warmth, and while each has it's positive attributes, I still was not satisfied. I felt something other than the cable terminations must be a factor. Then I realized in moving around all the equipment to make room for the Pluton, I had moved a Panzerholz platform from under the integrated amp, and put that under the Pluton, and I used another non-Panzerholz for under the amp. So tonight I took an extra Panzerholz platform (double stack) I was using under my DAC, and took one of them and put that under the amp, and after that, with the Peak4s in place, I got the detail and nuances and remained musical and warm. The first 10 seconds of the first track I knew it was right. I spent the rest of the night listening to a complete album, track 1 till track 12, which for me is usually an indication that the music sounds right.

Congrats! It is remarkable how important and also rewarding really great setup can be when you introduce Entreq Pluton into the system.

 

[Raizen]

Well had a bit of a breakthrough tonight. After switching in/out Peak4s / wood knobs in different locations, and I could hear changes, but it seems I was exchanging detail and nuances, for warmth, and while each has it's positive attributes, I still was not satisfied. I felt something other than the cable terminations must be a factor. Then I realized in moving around all the equipment to make room for the Pluton, I had moved a Panzerholz platform from under the integrated amp, and put that under the Pluton, and I used another non-Panzerholz for under the amp. So tonight I took an extra Panzerholz platform (double stack) I was using under my DAC, and took one of them and put that under the amp, and after that, with the Peak4s in place, I got the detail and nuances and remained musical and warm. The first 10 seconds of the first track I knew it was right. I spent the rest of the night listening to a complete album, track 1 till track 12, which for me is usually an indication that the music sounds right.

Glad for you tim and congrats for this achievement.

 

[Barry2013]

Well had a bit of a breakthrough tonight. After switching in/out Peak4s / wood knobs in different locations, and I could hear changes, but it seems I was exchanging detail and nuances, for warmth, and while each has it's positive attributes, I still was not satisfied. I felt something other than the cable terminations must be a factor. Then I realized in moving around all the equipment to make room for the Pluton, I had moved a Panzerholz platform from under the integrated amp, and put that under the Pluton, and I used another non-Panzerholz for under the amp. So tonight I took an extra Panzerholz platform (double stack) I was using under my DAC, and took one of them and put that under the amp, and after that, with the Peak4s in place, I got the detail and nuances and remained musical and warm. The first 10 seconds of the first track I knew it was right. I spent the rest of the night listening to a complete album, track 1 till track 12, which for me is usually an indication that the music sounds right.

Congratulations on your breakthrough.
You join a long list of audiophiles who have experienced similar and often frustrating journeys to get the right balance of sound quality in their systems. It is never easy and invariably involves considerable trial and error, but immensely satisfying when you succeed.
I am sure the results will be therapeutic too.

 

[HK Panda]

Congrats! It is remarkable how important and also rewarding really great setup can be when you introduce Entreq Pluton into the system.

Yes, I agree. Now that I got that out of the way, I can focus on some additional tweaks.

Glad for you tim and congrats for this achievement.

I broke the golden rule of stereo setup evaluation, I changed more than one thing at a time. Strange thing is, I tested the sound previously with the Panzerholz platform removed and didn't think it made much a difference, but now, clearly it does. The thing now, is with these platforms, if they benefit the sound, then adding a second one (stacked) usually adds about 20% of the effect of adding the first one. So I will have to budget for more platforms.

 

[HK Panda]

My local dealer, who actually never before used ANY ground boxes in his own showroom setup, must have been impressed with listening to my Entreq setup, as he just purchased an Entreq for his own showroom. He is super conservative so I am actually surprised he got one.

 

[HK Panda]

Placed an order from some Magma Slim Tungstens today. I really want to see if they make any difference. Dealer could not get me a set to try for free, but will allow me to purchase and return if I do not like. My idea it to test the Manga Slim Tungsten model under the Olympus Infinity Tungsten and if the result is positive then order the Magma Tungsten for use with the Pluton.

Anyone know which side is up on these?

 

[Raizen]

Placed an order from some Magma Slim Tungstens today. I really want to see if they make any difference. Dealer could not get me a set to try for free, but will allow me to purchase and return if I do not like. My idea it to test the Manga Slim Tungsten model under the Olympus Infinity Tungsten and if the result is positive then order the Magma Tungsten for use with the Pluton.

Anyone know which side is up on these?

View attachment 94008

I guess the circle side towards the apparatus.

 

[HK Panda]

I guess the circle side towards the apparatus.

My dealer believes the metal side goes down. There is no manual and I have not seen a photo of one using it as feet, so cannot seem to confirm it.

 

[Raizen]

Placed an order from some Magma Slim Tungstens today. I really want to see if they make any difference. Dealer could not get me a set to try for free, but will allow me to purchase and return if I do not like. My idea it to test the Manga Slim Tungsten model under the Olympus Infinity Tungsten and if the result is positive then order the Magma Tungsten for use with the Pluton.

Anyone know which side is up on these?

View attachment 94008

I guess the circle side towaards the apparatus.

My dealer believes the metal side goes down. There is no manual and I have not seen a photo of one using it as feet, so cannot seem to confirm it.

My dealer believes same as yours. The metal side is the foot.

 

[HK Panda]

I guess the circle side towaards the apparatus.

My dealer believes same as yours. The metal side is the foot.

Thanks. I have additional Panzerholtz platforms on order (seem to not be able to get enough of these), one of them will be for underneath the Olympus Infinity Tungsten (OIT), and should be arriving next week. After that the Magma footers should arrive and those will become the new feet for the OIT. I'm very happy with the sound right now, and I'm just looking for that last bit of refinement which I believe might be achieved by the Panzerholtz and Magmas.

 

[Raizen]

Yesterday, my dealer lend me some Entreq stuff. To get a huge better sound I put a Tellus II on 3 Entreq ES Pad, and the silver 1 pole on the Tellus II connect to one Amp free rca with the new Triton cable. The Tellus copper 2 go to preamp free rca and copper 3 go to a DAC free rca, those 2 &3 are with Argo cables. Awesome step into Entreq’s world and to my hears it sounds great, amazing. I think I will buy the package…
Sorry for my poor English.
I am glad have found and can share that feet under a box can change a lot !
Have a good day all.

 

[Cellcbern]

Thanks. I have additional Panzerholtz platforms on order (seem to not be able to get enough of these), one of them will be for underneath the Olympus Infinity Tungsten (OIT), and should be arriving next week. After that the Magma footers should arrive and those will become the new feet for the OIT. I'm very happy with the sound right now, and I'm just looking for that last bit of refinement which I believe might be achieved by the Panzerholtz and Magmas.

Question for the users of high end grounding boxes: I can understand that one ground cable design might "extract" more noise from a component than another, but if a grounding box is an end point, a sink or drain for noise with no signal/current flowing from it back to the grounded component then how can footers, platforms, etc. impact a system's sound? Or am I mistaken - does signal/current flow from a grounding box back to the grounded component? Not saying that isolation devices can't improve the sound of a grounding box - just want to understand how/why.

 

[HK Panda]

Question for the users of high end grounding boxes: I can understand that one ground cable design might "extract" more noise from a component than another, but if a grounding box is an end point, a sink or drain for noise with no signal/current flowing from it back to the grounded component then how can footers, platforms, etc. impact a system's sound? Or am I mistaken - does signal/current flow from a grounding box back to the grounded component? Not saying that isolation devices can't improve the sound of a grounding box - just want to understand how/why.

I'll try my best with some speculation.

From my understanding the ground boxes work via a Piezoelctric effect. Any vibration to those boxes can influence the effect. You will find a thread where an owner of the CleanUS goes on about how the anti vibration platforms improve his Entreq performance. Also Entreq appears to believe in it, as their magma feet work on both mechanical vibration and magnetic.

Piezoelectricity - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

See this thread.

Entreq Tellus grounding

Maybe.

www.whatsbestforum.com

 

[Cellcbern]

I'll try my best with some speculation.

From my understanding the ground boxes work via a Piezoelctric effect. Any vibration to those boxes can influence the effect. You will find a thread where an owner of the CleanUS goes on about how the anti vibration platforms improve his Entreq performance. Also Entreq appears to believe in it, as their magma feet work on both mechanical vibration and magnetic.

Piezoelectricity - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

See this thread.

Entreq Tellus grounding

Maybe.

www.whatsbestforum.com

I understand how piezoelectric powders/crystals work on power and signal - Furutech's NCF accessories are a good example. But again, unless a grounding box is reflecting something back into the component/system, I don't understand how an end point/noise sink could make use of piezoelectric effects.

 

[HK Panda]

I understand how piezoelectric powders/crystals work on power and signal - Furutech's NCF accessories are a good example. But again, unless a grounding box is reflecting something back into the component/system, I don't understand how an end point/noise sink could make use of piezoelectric effects.

I can further speculate that the noise that flows from the component is a continuous stream, and that noise stream needs to be absorbed somewhere into the crystals. If the crystals are exited (vibrated), their ability to absorb is influenced. Steady state = more absorption, excited state = less absorption.

 

[MarkusBarkus]

...I wish we could agree to a global ban on calling these devices "ground" anything.

 

[Cellcbern]

I can further speculate that the noise that flows from the component is a continuous stream, and that noise stream needs to be absorbed somewhere into the crystals. If the crystals are exited (vibrated), their ability to absorb is influenced. Steady state = more absorption, excited state = less absorption.

Sounds plausible.

 

[HK Panda]

Sounds plausible.

The Panzerholz platforms will be tried in my setup with the Entreq, however when I pull them out, and if I don't feel the presentation lost something, then they will be used elsewhere. I already have them under my DAC and AMP, and under the Music streamer. If they prove to be useless under the Entreq, which I will test, then the platforms will be used elsewhere. Double stacking the Panzerholz platforms usually gives about 20% of the initial platforms benefit.

 

[Raizen]

May I ask if somebody has an experience with the MultiTen (Ten Ten) to share ? Also, I don’t understand what the Cleanus inside does ? Thanks !