Exactly, my car will keep on going when an EMP blast takes all those fancy electronic cars out...
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If there is a emp blast, you have so much more to worry about. And no, your manually piloted car won't work either. An old mustang might. But your fancy newer car has so many computers and circuit boards inside. They will fry and the car will stop.
I would like to see where the crash numbers are for auto pilot cars now. They have plenty of test loging millions of miles going on with ubers and taxi where the driver sits there but does nothing. Just ready to grab the wheel or hit the brake if needed. I am making a guess, but I bet autonomous cars are safer by a factor. I bet fatalities would fall to less than 3000 a year in the US if manual operation of cars was outlawed. I believe people would rather risk death and dismemberment than
1 loose the freedom to travel where you want.
2 general fear of the unknown. Or shall I say, the lack of control over the environment surrounding you. Sort of like when you let your wife drive and its a pucker fest the whole way home.
I would like to see where the crash numbers are for auto pilot cars now. They have plenty of test loging millions of miles going on with ubers and taxi where the driver sits there but does nothing. Just ready to grab the wheel or hit the brake if needed. I am making a guess, but I bet autonomous cars are safer by a factor. I bet fatalities would fall to less than 3000 a year in the US if manual operation of cars was outlawed. I believe people would rather risk death and dismemberment than
1 loose the freedom to travel where you want.
2 general fear of the unknown. Or shall I say, the lack of control over the environment surrounding you. Sort of like when you let your wife drive and its a pucker fest the whole way home.
Brad drives a carburetor equipped 12 cylinder Jaguar E type !
Here’s an interesting statistic from Wikipedia showing the growth or decline in deaths due to automobile accidents world wide. Notice that in Europe it’s been steadily declining. In the US it’s rising. Russia seems to be much worse previously but now less than the US. Not sure why they had a big decline. Will autonomous driving increase or decrease the total number of deaths? That’s the trillion dollar question. It’s arguable that fully autonomous cars may reduce deaths due to drunk drivers, elderly, folks distracted by texting and kids. But there would be a significant increase in fatalities that involve autonomous cars. I do believe fully autonomous cars will reduce fatalities overall but society will have to accept a larger percentage of deaths from self-driving cars.I will take a computer over 70-90 year old drivers any day of the week, slow reflexes and bad eye sight/ hearing make them drive unpredictable/ dangerous. This problem is prevalent in Florida, the older they get, the larger the Cadillac, and they all hit the brakes instantly on Interstate Highways when it starts raining . They get rooted out better in Europe where most Countries have extra tests once you hit a certain age.
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Well he is doomed with or without an EMP. Lucas ignitions are their own worst enemy.Brad drives a carburetor equipped 12 cylinder Jaguar E type !
I know nothing specific about this topic, but it makes intuitive sense that an increase in the number of self-driving cars would be correlated with a decrease in overall automobile fatalities.
I don't think a rise in the number of fatalities from self-driving cars per se would be a problem -- as long as the overall number of automobile fatalities declines as a result of self-driving car proliferation -- as I think most people would be agnostic as to whether they are killed by a self-driving car or by a drunk human.
I think my Aston Martin had Lucas ignition, and Italian Magneti Marelli fuel injection, i had to change all that at one point of course !
More fallback from the Tesla We, Robot demo as the Optimus humanoids were bring teleoperated remotely by humans. I’m not surprised. The control of a full body humanoid is extremely challenging and we’re not there yet.
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Nvidia praises AI in Tesla Optimus despite remote control concerns — Business Insider
Tesla's Optimus robots faced skepticism for being remotely controlled by humans at a recent event. Nvidia's Rev Lebaredian praised the sophisticated AI required to teleoperate Optimus robots. "I don't think we should demean the amazing advancements we saw there," he told Business Insider.
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Optimus would be an ideal bodyguard ..
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and driver at the same time lol .
Honestly the possibilities with AI driven robots are endless and Elon knows it.
Once these are mass produced
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and driver at the same time lol .
Honestly the possibilities with AI driven robots are endless and Elon knows it.
Once these are mass produced
It does avoid the VxV hacking concernI just got a new car…with a manual
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My view is that Elon might need to reconsider his cameras-only sensor stance. A multi-sensor array consisting of cameras, LiDAR and radar coupled with zero defect software may move us closer to safe autonomous driving. I'm a lay person so please don't expect a robust technical defense in rebuttal.I will take a computer over 70-90 year old drivers any day of the week, slow reflexes and bad eye sight/ hearing make them drive unpredictable/ dangerous. This problem is prevalent in Florida, the older they get, the larger the Cadillac, and they all hit the brakes instantly on Interstate Highways when it starts raining . They get rooted out better in Europe where most Countries have extra tests once you hit a certain age.
The problem of full self driving is not one of sensors alone. That’s the classic mistake that Tesla, Waymo and the rest make. Driving requires reasoning, thinking and above all, modeling human behavior. When you drive, you actively model the behavior of drivers around you. Is the person near me driving aggressively, cautiously, drunk etc. Am I entering a zone where accidents are common? Is it OK to drive above the speed limit here because almost everyone does? I live close to 101. If you drove at 101 at the speed limit of 65 mph, you’d likely get killed because the joker behind you is expecting you to drive at 75!
In short, driving is what is often referred to as an AI-complete problem, meaning it requires fusing multiple modalities, from vision to motor coordination to common sense reasoning. That’s why FSD without human supervision is a pipe dream. The idea that Tesla Robotaxis that come without steering wheels or brakes would be approved by the Government for public use is wishful thinking. At best, FSD is souped up cruise control. It relieves you from constantly having to press the pedals, steering the car and prevents accidents from you falling asleep. But there’s no substitute to human-level behavior modeling.
If you do an analysis of self-driving car accidents in San Francisco, it reminds me of Murphy’s law: if something can go wrong, it will.
In short, driving is what is often referred to as an AI-complete problem, meaning it requires fusing multiple modalities, from vision to motor coordination to common sense reasoning. That’s why FSD without human supervision is a pipe dream. The idea that Tesla Robotaxis that come without steering wheels or brakes would be approved by the Government for public use is wishful thinking. At best, FSD is souped up cruise control. It relieves you from constantly having to press the pedals, steering the car and prevents accidents from you falling asleep. But there’s no substitute to human-level behavior modeling.
If you do an analysis of self-driving car accidents in San Francisco, it reminds me of Murphy’s law: if something can go wrong, it will.
And here’s my favorite. Our esteemed Vice President’s motorcade was stalled on a busy street in San Francisco by an aberrant Waymo taxi that got confused on an intersection. Even the second most powerful person on the planet has to bow to the hegemony of driverless cars in San Francisco.
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A stalled Waymo brought Kamala Harris’ motorcade to a standstill in SF
The robotaxi stopped while making a U-turn, interrupting the vice president's route to the Fairmont Hotel late Friday.
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I have bookmarked this post with a special notification alarm, set to be triggered exactly 10 years from today, so we will be sure to evaluate then this prediction.
Ron, while you're bookmarking prophecies, here's one for you from an organization that calls itself RethinkX. They issued this report in 2017, about 7 years ago....think it will happen? In 6 years, 95% of Americans will give up their cars and be driven in self-driving cars? Hmm...don't think so! But, hey, I've been wrong before about what I thought would happen in AI, even though I have worked in the field for 40 years!
By 2030, within 10 years of regulatory approval of Autonomous Vehicles (AVs), 95 percent of U.S. passenger miles traveled will be served by on-demand autonomous electric vehicles owned by fleets, not individuals, in a new business model we call “transport-as-a-service” (TaaS).
Rethinking Transportation (2017) (English)
Discover RethinkX's transportation report predicting a disruptive shift towards autonomous electric vehicles and transport-as-a-service.
www.rethinkx.com
Now you're changing the subject to a much more difficult and speculative prediction by somebody else from seven years ago. I'm not talking about all sorts of other predictions.Ron, while you're bookmarking prophecies, here's one for you from an organization that calls itself RethinkX. They issued this report in 2017, about 7 years ago....think it will happen? In 6 years, 95% of Americans will give up their cars and be driven in self-driving cars? Hmm...don't think so! But, hey, I've been wrong before about what I thought would happen in AI, even though I have worked in the field for 40 years!
By 2030, within 10 years of regulatory approval of Autonomous Vehicles (AVs), 95 percent of U.S. passenger miles traveled will be served by on-demand autonomous electric vehicles owned by fleets, not individuals, in a new business model we call “transport-as-a-service” (TaaS).
Rethinking Transportation (2017) (English)
Discover RethinkX's transportation report predicting a disruptive shift towards autonomous electric vehicles and transport-as-a-service.www.rethinkx.com
I am commenting only on your prediction that FSD will never happen. (And I make this comment because my dear friend, Jeff Duggan, had his DMV registered Tesla take him on public roads to our Orange County Audiophile Posse party this past Saturday without Jeff ever touching the steering wheel.)
Fair enough. We have to be careful in how we define FSD. According to Tesla, FSD is already here, but read the documentation, and its pages of disclaimers, and repeated mentions that this is still trial beta software. So, FSD in experimental phase under human supervision doesn't count. So, what counts? In my book, FSD means buying a car with no steering wheel, no brakes, no way to control it except to tell it where you want to go. That's what I'm referring to. Have I driven my model S without touching the steering wheel? Sure, but sweating profusely, and worrying all the time that I won't get to where I'm going! FSD has gotten better, no doubt, 5. years ago, as my spouse said, it drove like a drunk teenager. But, now it's smoother. But, as the Waymo stuck in concrete example showed, and any independent analysis of self-driving car crashes in SF shows, we're a long ways away. It's the corner cases that are really hard to train for, because they occur so rarely. That's where human reasoning comes in. Not everything can be trained for in simulation. The world is too messy.
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