Golden Ear - Triton (closer to the) Reference

[Markuzz]

My filters have just been delivered.

They contain a small adjustment by the means of an additional Duelund bypass (brown cap next to the Jantzen Alumen Z cap).

Cables and binding posts are expected Friday, so first impressions will be shared in the weekend. By the way, I settled on LUDIC SILENOS OFC Copper Carbon 2x2.5mm² speaker cables, instead of the Furutech Alpha's.

 

[higher sound]

My filters have just been delivered.

They contain a small adjustment by the means of an additional Duelund bypass (brown cap next to the Jantzen Alumen Z cap).

Cables and binding posts are expected Friday, so first impressions will be shared in the weekend. By the way, I settled on LUDIC SILENOS OFC Copper Carbon 2x2.5mm² speaker cables, instead of the Furutech Alpha's.

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Congratulations Markus!
Keep us updated with photos of your install
Mine are on their way I went with Furutech
This is truly a fun and exciting time for me as
I haven’t tinkered with electronics for years!
I might add
Unlike Morten I took out all 4 radiators out
For an easier install with two people
Enjoy your journeys through audio heaven guys!

Best Higher Sound

 

[higher sound]

PS
Sorry Markuzz
About that spellcheck

 

[MortenB]

Unlike Morten I took out all 4 radiators out
For an easier install

So did I, it’s not possible to install the boards without removing them.

The 4 radiators are a gift for us with this upgrade. Without them it would be very, very difficult (impossible?) to install the new crossovers inside the cabinet.

 

[Markuzz]

PS
Sorry Markuzz
About that spellcheck

No worries mate

 

[MortenB]

Yes, keep us updated Markuzz

 

[Markuzz]

Congratulations Markus!
Keep us updated with photos of your install
Mine are on their way I went with Furutech
This is truly a fun and exciting time for me as
I haven’t tinkered with electronics for years!
I might add
Unlike Morten I took out all 4 radiators out
For an easier install with two people
Enjoy your journeys through audio heaven guys!

Best Higher Sound

Yes, will make a few pics along the way.

First impressions are good, and very similar to the filters I have been using in my previous Tony Gee build.

Cables between the boards are a little short. I understand the reason behind this, but just 2cm extra would increase flexibility of placement (i.e. 90 degrees, or stacking).

On the other hand, it is nice to see that all the cables will be connected to one board. And the secondary board is piggybacking with the components for the mid woofers

 

[MortenB]

Cables between the boards are a little short. I understand the reason behind this, but just 2cm extra would increase flexibility of placement (i.e. 90 degrees, or stacking).

Stacking is not good, as you will bring coils very close to each other. They are spread out as much as possible for a reason.

Tony and I worked together on the layout, that is optimized for my installation shown/discussed in the thread. But you can of course change things around, if you want to do things differently. Just be careful not to bring the coils closer together, than what they are now.

The reason for all cables to the drivers being connected to one board is (as mentioned before), that there are midwoofer parts on both boards.

 

[MortenB]

BTW… I’m in dialogue with the buyer of the final set of crossovers, who is not participating here in the thread. He mentioned to me, that while waiting for the crossovers to arrive, he upgraded the binding posts. Meaning, only the binding posts replaced, everything else as-is.

He was quite surprised about how much of an improvement in sound quality that small upgrade made.

 

[Markuzz]

Stacking is not good, as you will bring coils very close to each other. They are spread out as much as possible for a reason.

Tony and I worked together on the layout, that is optimized for my installation shown/discussed in the thread. But you can of course change things around, if you want to do things differently. Just be careful not to bring the coils closer together, than what they are now.

Yes, well coils in midrange and tweeter circuits carry very little current and can be placed relatively close to each other, where a huge coil for bass may need some more distance. At least, that is my experience, let's leave it at that

Anyway, since we all paid top money for this beautiful product..... we are not going to change a thing and mess with the warranty

 

[Markuzz]

BTW… I’m in dialogue with the buyer of the final set of crossovers, who is not participating here in the thread. He mentioned to me, that while waiting for the crossovers to arrive, he upgraded the binding posts. Meaning, only the binding posts replaced, everything else as-is.

He was quite surprised about how much of an improvement in sound quality that small upgrade made.

Binding posts are underrated.

 

[MortenB]

Binding posts are underrated.

I think you’re spot on with that comment And the original binding posts are not great…

 

[MortenB]

Yes, well coils in midrange and tweeter circuits carry very little current and can be placed relatively close to each other, where a huge coil for bass may need some more distance. At least, that is my experience, let's leave it at that

Anyway, since we all paid top money for this beautiful product..... we are not going to change a thing and mess with the warranty

I have seen the simulations, and the complete set of measurements on various iterations of the filters/layouts. I’m just saying, that the layout is as it is for a reason…

I do understand, that you want to go your own way, and all good with that.

 

[Markuzz]

And I am guessing that sharing those measurements are another example of:

 

[Kingrex]

He was quite surprised about how much of an improvement in sound quality that small upgrade made.

I have a friend that did as such on his amplifier. He heard a change as large as changing the speaker cables. He was very surprised.

 

[MortenB]

Honestly… I have had to explain myself and repeat myself so many times in this thread, that I’m getting sick of it. Sorry, I’m not sharing the measurements, as I’m afraid to get another 1000 questions

Basically, the measurements shows, that L and R filters are extremely closely matched, and that the filters with these components, and with this layout, perform identical to the measurements we see in Stereophile.

 

[Markuzz]

I have a friend that did as such on his amplifier. He heard a change as large as changing the speaker cables. He was very surprised.

I know certain people believe that the connector (be it RCA, binding posts or whatever) have a bigger impact than the cable itself. This seems to me to be a bold statement, but there is defenitely a case for good connectors.

 

[Kingrex]

I know certain people believe that the connector (be it RCA, binding posts or whatever) have a bigger impact than the cable itself. This seems to me to be a bold statement, but there is defenitely a case for good connectors.

Consider the impact of a power duplex.

 

[Kingrex]

I know certain people believe that the connector (be it RCA, binding posts or whatever) have a bigger impact than the cable itself. This seems to me to be a bold statement, but there is defenitely a case for good connectors.

I have sat a loadcenter with aluminum lugs and alumium neutral bar with copper phase bars next to a panel with all copper lugs and all copper neutral and phase. Its a massive change. As great as using an isolation transformer. The only real difference is terminations. The copper wire is landing on a copper termination. I believe its galvanic reaction of copper to aluminum and shedding electrons that creates the noise. I don't have a way to prove it. I only know its audible.

I also believe using Deoxit by Caig reduces reactions between metals as well as removing oxidation on metal surfaces that inhibit energy flow at connection points. Can be one of the largest gains in audio quality. All for about $10 and some time with a QTip.

 

[Markuzz]

I have sat a loadcenter with aluminum lugs and alumium neutral bar with copper phase bars next to a panel with all copper lugs and all copper neutral and phase. Its a massive change. As great as using an isolation transformer. The only real difference is terminations. The copper wire is landing on a copper termination. I believe its galvanic reaction of copper to aluminum and shedding electrons that creates the noise. I don't have a way to prove it. I only know its audible.

I also believe using Deoxit by Caig reduces reactions between metals as well as removing oxidation on metal surfaces that inhibit energy flow at connection points. Can be one of the largest gains in audio quality. All for about $10 and some time with a QTip.

Interesting Kingrex.

By the way, those nice open baffle's in your tag..... are those PureAudioProject's or DIY?