Help me w/reservations about taking the R2R tape plunge...

Yes, nothing wrong with that. A hobby is a hobby. And if you can afford it not just financially but also with regard to your personal situation, fine. But this is obviously not the case here.

As I said, for some tape may be great. It's just not for Marc. Period.

End of story.

It's for him. He is an OCDed passionate guy. He will care for it tenderly and feed it and water it
 
DON'T GO. Don't drive yourself insane with sily audiophilitis, when you simply can enjoy the music and keep your GF happy. Buy a thousand records/CDs instead. Do you really want to jeopardize your psychological and relational well-being with some audiophile pipe dream?

Look, if you were already sold on the idea and were sure, fine. But you are not, and you are not sure, and there are downsides for your personal situation that might not be there for others, so I am trying to save you from yourself.

DON'T DO IT.

If others think, tape is for them, great. It's obviously not for you. Period.

Al, understood. This is aside from my usual decisions on upgrading, a special order if you like.
Despite the sheer illogicality of it all, I remain intrigued, and would like to make a modest investment in something that may make me smile from ear to ear (via my brain).
In reality, 'though I have the budget, I could not justify the sums required for UHA or reconditioned Studers.
And the rest of my system punches above it's weight w/great performance for the price, so I'm more attracted to the Technics 1500-King Cello combination, at a quarter to a third the price of Studer, but performing very well if the advice i've been given is correct. It's more in keeping w/my other choice of components.
So, $6k on gear, and maybe 50 tapes over a decade at $300 each, totalling $20k+. I think I can handle this, esp since I'm pretty much done upgrading big elsewhere.
this tape system will be the "cherry on the cake".
 
Al, understood. This is aside from my usual decisions on upgrading, a special order if you like.
Despite the sheer illogicality of it all, I remain intrigued, and would like to make a modest investment in something that may make me smile from ear to ear (via my brain).
In reality, 'though I have the budget, I could not justify the sums required for UHA or reconditioned Studers.
And the rest of my system punches above it's weight w/great performance for the price, so I'm more attracted to the Technics 1500-King Cello combination, at a quarter to a third the price of Studer, but performing very well if the advice i've been given is correct. It's more in keeping w/my other choice of components.
So, $6k on gear, and maybe 50 tapes over a decade at $300 each, totalling $20k+. I think I can handle this, esp since I'm pretty much done upgrading big elsewhere.
this tape system will be the "cherry on the cake".

No, it will NOT be the "cherry on the cake". Your girlfriend will not be happy, and neither will you be happy.

Look, I am really just trying to save you from yourself.

DON'T DO IT. YOU ARE MAKING A BIG MISTAKE.
 
It's for him. He is an OCDed passionate guy. He will care for it tenderly and feed it and water it

If you're talking about tapes, I won't feed them and water them, I'll store them out of sunlight, in cool and controlled conditions :b.
Re OCD and audiophilitis, guilty.
Atm, this is a brainstorming session in getting as many opinions as poss, but I feel I've found a way into the hobby which doesn't break the bank, and just gives me the possibility of a different sort of buzz.
After listening to various Magicos, Wilsons, Constellations, Kef Muons, Clearaudio Statements, GGs etc at the Windsor Show today, so much was unremarkable (other than the beyond-brilliant Elacs), and I'd rather put some cash into a brand new avenue that I've reconciled w/myself will be a time-to-time buzz w/a small number of different "hits".
 
It's for him. He is an OCDed passionate guy.

No, it's NOT for him. Once your OCD is trying to take over and destroy your life from the inside, you need to combat it, head on.
 
There is no better mistake than invest in a Reel to Reel deck and tapes. :D

You really want that Marc destroys his life? Don't you just see that it is wrong for him in his personal situation? When a girlfriend get's pissed off, there is nothing to smile about, and neither there is when OCD destroys you from the inside.

Tape was obviously right for you, Amir, as it is for some others, but not everything is right for everybody.

Obviously, tape is not for Marc.
 
I bought a deck last year knowing full-well that I'd never be buying any of the new pre-recorded tapes. There are two reasons for that. One, the entry price is too high for me. And two, the available music doesn't interest me enough to spend that kind of money. I bought it to copy some of my prized vinyl and also to make compilations. I didn't buy it to obtain better sound quality, but more as an entertainment device. It's fun putting together a mixed tape and playing it.

Many of you would probably not approve, but it pleases me and that's all that matters.

Buy what you want and use it how you want. Simple! :)
 
I bought a deck last year knowing full-well that I'd never be buying any of the new pre-recorded tapes. There are two reasons for that. One, the entry price is too high for me. And two, the available music doesn't interest me enough to spend that kind of money. I bought it to copy some of my prized vinyl and also to make compilations. I didn't buy it to obtain better sound quality, but more as an entertainment device. It's fun putting together a mixed tape and playing it.

Many of you would probably not approve, but it pleases me and that's all that matters.

I approve :). Nice application for tape.
 
No, it's NOT for him. Once your OCD is trying to take over and destroy your life from the inside, you need to combat it, head on.

I hear you Al, and concur a whole lot.
I thank you so much for your concern, it's much appreciated.
 
You really want that Marc destroys his life? Don't you just see that it is wrong for him in his personal situation? When a girlfriend get's pissed off, there is nothing to smile about, and neither there is when OCD destroys you from the inside.

Tape was obviously right for you, Amir, as it is for some others, but not everything is right for everybody.

Obviously, tape is not for Marc.

My GF would get what you're saying, and salute you for your thoughts. I'm actually very lucky that she, despite having no great interest in sitting down and enjoying my system, knows that it's my major passion, and actually never criticises my spending choices. She often gives me thumbs up on a-b trials I do on gear before I buy it. But she lets me get on uninterrupted otherwise, as long as she gets some "compensation" at intervals.
the main issue w/her was when i quoted the prices on the UHA website for decks up to $24k, and the Tape Project prices.
But quoting $6k doesn't make her frown anywhere near as much, and tape purchase is going to be sporadic at most. Unlike Hot Stampers vinyl where I could drop c.$300 each on 00's and 00's of overpriced lp's.
 
No, it's NOT for him. Once your OCD is trying to take over and destroy your life from the inside, you need to combat it, head on.

Al, he was previously trying to upgrade his preamp. Talked him out of it. He channeled it to this. If you stop him it will be channeled into something else, but like Amir said, this is the best mistake he can make. That cash is always going to go into gear, so why not this? People with a hobby have to act on it. Also this is good because his future upgrades will be directed to buying tapes, which is actually music.
 
Al, he was previously trying to upgrade his preamp. Talked him out of it. He channeled it to this. If you stop him it will be channeled into something else, but like Amir said, this is the best mistake he can make. That cash is always going to go into gear, so why not this? People with a hobby have to act on it. Also this is good because his future upgrades will be directed to buying tapes, which is actually music.

Bonzo, just when did you talk me out of buying that preamp upgrade? You have had no influence on my buying, or not buying, it. I made the decision to pull the Nat Magnetostat demo when I came upon my epiphany of getting the sound that really works for me a couple of months back, that hasn't changed, and which took away the desire for that upgrade. Have you even read this whole thread all the way thru, or just jumped in at this stage? If you have read the whole thing you'll see I come up w/so many reasons not to invest, and reasons I emotionally would love to. If there weren't those reasons, this thread would not have been needed. Rather than just say invest in it, try and offer some practical advice on how to make such a decision. Otherwise, your opinions are not really helpful, no disrespect.
Even your view that it is a good thing for me that investment in tape as a medium will go into music purchases is incorrect, because I can put the money of the move to R2R into serious amounts of lp's instead. Investment in tape most likely will mean a certain amount less lp/cd buying.
The q here, is whether it's really practical to go down this route, whether it's right for me, not whether I'm driven or not.
My decision may come down to whether an outlay of $25k over a decade acquiring me a tapedeck and 50 tapes is just plain better invested in 2500 lps. This is the definition of a no brainer. But since when did men ever make the logical decision?
 
Just go and buy the darn thing already! :p
 
Yes but for you LP and CD is no more a gear upgrade, while Tape will be a gear upgrade, and will feed the hobby. So after you buy 10 tapes, you will lose the desire to buy a cable. Again.
 
I hear you Al, and concur a whole lot.
I thank you so much for your concern, it's much appreciated.

You're welcome, Marc. i really am concerned.
 
Tape was obviously right for you, Amir, as it is for some others, but not everything is right for everybody.
No, it was a mistake for me too. :) There is no rationale for buying tape as a format. It makes little logical sense. The main reason to buy it is to satisfy an emotional need to have it. I smile every time I look at the deck without it playing anything!
 
No, it was a mistake for me too. :) There is no rationale for buying tape as a format. It makes little logical sense. The main reason to buy it is to satisfy an emotional need to have it. I smile every time I look at the deck without it playing anything!

There is no rationale to buy a lot of things in hifi. Hifi is a hobby. People should get on with it
 
the main issue w/her was when i quoted the prices on the UHA website for decks up to $24k, and the Tape Project prices.
But quoting $6k doesn't make her frown anywhere near as much, and tape purchase is going to be sporadic at most. Unlike Hot Stampers vinyl where I could drop c.$300 each on 00's and 00's of overpriced lp's.

Don't fall into your own trap. You know full well that the itch will kick in, and when you start with $6K you will eventually go for the $24K deck because you will find that the $6K deck will not be the "cherry on the cake" that you are looking for.

Don't do it.
 
Al, he was previously trying to upgrade his preamp. Talked him out of it. He channeled it to this. If you stop him it will be channeled into something else,

Yes, and that something else will be something his GF can approve. A win-win.
 

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