How Good a CD Transport is Required to Sound Better than Streaming?

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There seems to be a fairly solid consensus (Lucasz Ficus, LL21, Al M, etc.) that CD playback or computer file playback, or perhaps both, sound better than streaming (assuming, of course, that all other variables, including the DAC, are held constant).

But I assume that one cannot assume that any device that can spin a CD necessarily will achieve better sound quality than will streaming.

So how good a CD transport does one need to achieve CD playback which sounds better than streaming? Where do the lines (rising sound quality of better transport and streaming sound quality) cross?
 
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I can guarantee the high end capabilities of the Jay's Audio CDt3 Mk3 transport with a Philips CDM 2 laser mechanism. I had two CD-Rs that played up to Track 9 of 23 and 24 tracks on CD burners, CD players (even one with the famed CDM 9 laser mechanism), Alesis Masterlink and my computers. Apparently, these are discs were fading away. They may have been low quality discs or heat may have been a factor as they were gifted to me and old discs. The Jay's play the discs PERFECTLY. I copied the discs to my Alesis and saved the music onto new CD-Rs and on back up drives. If the Jay's can copy nearly extinguished information, imagine how good it is at retrieving everything on a disc (I have 16,100 CDs).
 
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As FLAC is a lossless compression format, there is no data or quality loss when WAV files are converted to FLAC files.
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My cd transport quit (sounds like a broken belt). I am burning a few cds to my harddrive with Exact Audio Copy. I will post my findings in another day or so.
 
After spending a few hours listening to a select variety of cds thru my headphone rig, I have to report that they have never sounded better.

They now have a more open and relaxed presentation, more graceful if you with a noticeable lack of digital haze and fatigue while allowing one to hear the full quality and resolution limits including its timbre and harmonics, leading to a greater level of sonic contentment and completeness.

On the minus side, I have always found cds to be noticeably anemic in its bass compared to the greater fullness and resolve of a good vinyl pressing. This didn't improve.

This is the first time that I have been able to listen to cds through headphones where I didn't feel compelled to turn it off.
 
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I compared my old Esoteric DV-50 player to my Lumin U1 Mini streamer both going to my Weiss Helios DAC and prefer the Esoteric for critical listening. I need to try a better streamer at some point but it is what it is.

I also used the internal Roon function of the Helios which is significantly better than the streamer, but I haven't had time to compare it to the Esoteric acting as a transport. I suspect all the error correction that the Esoteric is performing is what I'm hearing, but not sure. I will share more details as I continue my testing. :)
 
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After spending a few hours listening to a select variety of cds thru my headphone rig, I have to report that they have never sounded better.

They now have a more open and relaxed presentation, more graceful if you with a noticeable lack of digital haze and fatigue while allowing one to hear the full quality and resolution limits including its timbre and harmonics, leading to a greater level of sonic contentment and completeness.

On the minus side, I have always found cds to be noticeably anemic in its bass compared to the greater fullness and resolve of a good vinyl pressing. This didn't improve.

This is the first time that I have been able to listen to cds through headphones where I didn't feel compelled to turn it off.
Bacch has a new headphone software. I'm sure it will EQ bass as desired.
 
I would suggest that yes, there is a concern with the P-0 not being the latest of that lineage (P-0s and P-0 VUK came later) and also that a stock P-0 could be up to 28 years old as of today. If one wanted to have some fun and take the risk on a vintage world-class transport like that, I would suggest looking for either the 'P-0s' or 'P-0s VUK'' models). Esoteric Japan has been known for exemplary customer service and providing service whenever possible however I have no idea if they would still offer service in the event of an issue with a transport of that age. I love that CD transport and wish I had not sold mine to have around as a fun conversation piece to enjoy in the system as an alternative) however that's different from making a full-on bet on a vintage device of that age replacing a current model transport as a mainstay.

Whether it would be an upgrade over your Canary transport, I cannot give any opinion on that and am not sure anyone could reasonably do so.
 
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This afternoon, I had just came across a Jay's Audio CDT2Mk3 in mint condition, which included the Headquarter Audio QStab CD Clamp for a very attractive price. I decided to hit the "buy" button to hear what this dedicated cd transport might do for the digital side of my audio system.

I'll be using this with the new Mojo Mystique X24 AM dac that I have just recently purchased. This dac has Optical, AES and Coax digital inputs; so I will start out using my Acoustic Zen Absolute Copper Ribbon 75 Ohm digital coax cable that I already have and love, before I experiment with other cable types.

Best wishes,
Don
Don,

My CDT3 arrives from Jay's this coming Wednesday. I will be feeding it into a Lampizator Baltic 4 dac. I am considering a Shunyata Theta AES/EBU cable.

Have you experimented with various cables? Like you, I have been mostly vinyl for several decades. I bought the dac in December and thought I'd connect one of my old cd players and, boom, off to the races. Turns out, both of the players quit working. My brother lent me an old Sony 5 disc player he'd removed from his system. What do you know, it frequently won't recognize any disc. All for the best, as it pushed me to ordering the Jay's.

I've read a lot about the Shunyata Theta. I called them to discuss, and wasted that the Gamma might be better for a less revealing player. So, I'm leaning toward the Theta. Perhaps I'll one day upgrade my ICs and speaker cable to Theta.

-Regards
Eric
 
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Don,

My CDT3 arrives from Jay's this coming Wednesday. I will be feeding it into a Lampizator Baltic 4 dac. I am considering a Shunyata Theta AES/EBU cable.

Have you experimented with various cables? Like you, I have been mostly vinyl for several decades. I bought the dac in December and thought I'd connect one of my old cd players and, boom, off to the races. Turns out, both of the players quit working. My brother lent me an old Sony 5 disc player he'd removed from his system. What do you know, it frequently won't recognize any disc. All for the best, as it pushed me to ordering the Jay's.

I've read a lot about the Shunyata Theta. I called them to discuss, and wasted that the Gamma might be better for a less revealing player. So, I'm leaning toward the Theta. Perhaps I'll one day upgrade my ICs and speaker cable to Theta.

-Regards
Eric
My favorite cable is the GroverHuffman SPDIF true 75 ohm silver cable tied with the 10X more expensive Westminster Labs Ultra AES 110 ohm cable. I also have a Lampizator, the Poseidon. I like the stock tubes. So, for $400 or $4000 the difference may depend on your other equipment as well but either I my choice. I tried almost a dozen cables under $2000 (mostly under $500) and no go. Synergistic Research Atmosphere X Euphoria just sounded weird frequency response, warm and bass heavy, just doesn't sound like 75 ohm SPDIF. Many cheaper cables are either too dark or too bright. The two I (and friends have) are so detailed and well balanced sounding. GroverHuffman cable is the bargain though for great sound and with a Baltic, you probably want to preserve your full bodied warm sound, not emphasizing transparent, super soundstaging sound lacking body or coherence.
 
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Don,

My CDT3 arrives from Jay's this coming Wednesday. I will be feeding it into a Lampizator Baltic 4 dac. I am considering a Shunyata Theta AES/EBU cable.

Have you experimented with various cables? Like you, I have been mostly vinyl for several decades. I bought the dac in December and thought I'd connect one of my old cd players and, boom, off to the races. Turns out, both of the players quit working. My brother lent me an old Sony 5 disc player he'd removed from his system. What do you know, it frequently won't recognize any disc. All for the best, as it pushed me to ordering the Jay's.

I've read a lot about the Shunyata Theta. I called them to discuss, and wasted that the Gamma might be better for a less revealing player. So, I'm leaning toward the Theta. Perhaps I'll one day upgrade my ICs and speaker cable to Theta.

-Regards
Eric
Hello Eric,

A big congrats on getting the CDT3! I'm sure you're gonna love it:cool:

I haven't experimented with multiple cables. I've been using the Acoustic Zen "Absolute" a true 75-ohm impedance coaxial digital cable made with zero-crystal ribbon copper.

I ordered that cable because the entire rest of my system is wired with Acoustic Zen's Absolute Copper ribbon cables and I love the naturalness of the sound. I've come to the realization that if it's not broke, don't fix it ;)

Here's a pic of my Jay's with my Mojo Mystique X-24 AM R2R Ladder dac...

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Please come back and let us know how you like the CDT3 and which cable you have settled on!

Best wishes,
Don

 
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Don,

My CDT3 arrives from Jay's this coming Wednesday. I will be feeding it into a Lampizator Baltic 4 dac. I am considering a Shunyata Theta AES/EBU cable.

Have you experimented with various cables? Like you, I have been mostly vinyl for several decades. I bought the dac in December and thought I'd connect one of my old cd players and, boom, off to the races. Turns out, both of the players quit working. My brother lent me an old Sony 5 disc player he'd removed from his system. What do you know, it frequently won't recognize any disc. All for the best, as it pushed me to ordering the Jay's.

I've read a lot about the Shunyata Theta. I called them to discuss, and wasted that the Gamma might be better for a less revealing player. So, I'm leaning toward the Theta. Perhaps I'll one day upgrade my ICs and speaker cable to Theta.

-Regards
Eric
Network Acoustics trampled my Shunyata (first generation) Sigma.
 
Network Acoustics trampled my Shunyata (first generation) Sigma.
The Cable Company highly recommends the Shunyata Theta and said it is a great srep above the Gamma. The downside is the 4 week wait. I'm going for the Theta. Today my Jay's arrived. I'll have to wait until my cable arrives to enjoy it.
 
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The Cable Company highly recommends the Shunyata Theta and said it is a great srep above the Gamma. The downside is the 4 week wait. I'm going for the Theta. Today my Jay's arrived. I'll have to wait until my cable arrives to enjoy it.

Any reason not to use another power cord and break the Jay's in over the next 4 weeks while you wait for the Theta?
 
optimizing optical disc transport/player sound

- power off transport/player completely (including the back panel switch)
- while in powered off status, press the keys on the front panels a few times
- power up player, let it settle and exhibit the no disc sign
- load the disc, close tray and let it read and fully settle (listen for signs that the disc has stopped spinning inside)
- press the play button front panel

if you are using a transport only device and digitally outputing to external dac:
- shut down dac together with the transport
- do the above to the trasport
- when the loaded disc is fully settled and no longer spinnning, power up the dac.
- press the play button front panel of the transport.

keep the remote control in the carton box
 
optimizing optical disc sound

rinse under running tap water
flip off excess moisture by hand
put disc in a $39.90 CD ghettoblaster and spin over a few tracks to dry

Play disc in your expensive transport player (see the above post on optimizing optical disc transport)

depending on the surface (static) condition of that disc, sometimes, spraying the disc with bottled water first, then final rinse with tap water may make the disc sound better. both type of water different sound, use both in combination or just the tap water only to condition the final sound to your liking.

if you have a single-layered sacd that can't be spun on the CD ghettoblaster, use a cheap pre-owned SACD/DVD or SACD/Bluray player that you may find in a second hand store to act as a spinner to spin dry the disc.
 

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