How Good a CD Transport is Required to Sound Better than Streaming?

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There seems to be a fairly solid consensus (Lucasz Ficus, LL21, Al M, etc.) that CD playback or computer file playback, or perhaps both, sound better than streaming (assuming, of course, that all other variables, including the DAC, are held constant).

But I assume that one cannot assume that any device that can spin a CD necessarily will achieve better sound quality than will streaming.

So how good a CD transport does one need to achieve CD playback which sounds better than streaming? Where do the lines (rising sound quality of better transport and streaming sound quality) cross?
 
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Digital cables aren't susceptible to noise. If you're worried about noise, that comes in on power cables. Whilst digital cables can sound different, any differences are subtle at best. But not to the extent of one sounding better than another. They just sound different. You will get more of a difference in sound with speakers being 5-10 degrees out of optimal alignment than with any audiophile digital cable compared to a budget cable. Certainly that is my experience with the top Esoteric gear.
I know first hand about mains cables, speaker, and IC’s. Relatively new to seriously good digital.
 
I tried a search and didn’t come up with much.

Please gentlemen, I’m a digital neophyte, so be easy on me. :)

Any conversation or recommendations for what I need to understand about a cable connection between say a Mola Mola Tambaqui DAC and a Jay’s CDT3-MK3 transport? Steve Guttenberg in his YouTube review of this DAC suggested that he hooked up this transport with an i2s connection, no particular brand mentioned. Any thoughts to consider? Either a direct recommendation for a specific product or a place to go learn how all these alien (to me) connections function?
I have a good friend in the hobby who has both the Jay's transport and the Mola Mola and another who had the Mola with an Antipodes K50.

In both cases, AES/EBU was a very good connection. For the Jay's and Mola Mola, an i2S cable proved to be even better sounding choice later on (I heard it first hand). In that case, it was the Tubulus Concentus I2S cable. Three of their HDMI cables also provide great results for ES-LINK in my Esoteric Grandioso stack.
 
+1 on that. The Shunyata Omega AES/EBU cables were my go to for my prior 2box Esoteric stack....an excellent AES cable and the best out of a long line of AES/EBU cables I used over many years.
 
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Hi,

I'm just curious if you have had the opportunity to reach out Jay's yet, regarding if any of their digital outputs are optimized?

Thanks much!
Don
Well yes, so please keep in mind that I didn’t have direct communication access with either designer/creator. So the responses were handed down to each company’s distributors.

Beatechnik’s (Jay’s distributor) response on connecting with the Tubulus Concentus i2s Cable V2 was “In fact, the I2S is the best connection. With the superior I2S cable you have there, I bet you will enjoy the sound quality of the CDT3-MK3 a lot.” And yet (Mola Mola’s distributor) expectedly, and somewhat diplomatically responded “AES, SPDIF (RCA) are great choices and equal as far as the Tambaqui is concerned.” when ask directly for “recommendation of the best connection cabling between a Tambiqui and Jay’s Audio CDT3 transport for optimal performance.”

My take away from this is of course that they want to remain unbiased and let the buyers tastes/knowledge base decide. Unless they sold their own home rolled IC cable, and had reasonable science to believe that it was superior, I think this is a “safe” response.

Given that everything matters and makes a difference and customer preference is often all over the map because our ears/kits/rooms/preferences legitimately create many, many variables, a “safe” response imho is also accurate and fitting.
 
Given that everything matters and makes a difference and customer preference is often all over the map because our ears/kits/rooms/preferences legitimately create many, many variables, a “safe” response imho is also accurate and fitting.
I agree, however technically, properly implemented USB is the best choice. S/PDIF (which includes AES/EBU, Coaxial and Toslink), are handicapped by the buried clock signal. I2S is flawed because it requires a cable, which is subject to EMI/RFI. I2S separates the clock signal from the data, which is good, but the clock should be a few millimeters from the chip, not several centimeters.

If USB doesn't sound best in any particular setup, it is because the USB system is not well implemented. More detail in this post by a Sonore designer:
https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/...rters-shootout/?do=findComment&comment=489519
 
I agree, however technically, properly implemented USB is the best choice. S/PDIF (which includes AES/EBU, Coaxial and Toslink), are handicapped by the buried clock signal. I2S is flawed because it requires a cable, which is subject to EMI/RFI. I2S separates the clock signal from the data, which is good, but the clock should be a few millimeters from the chip, not several centimeters.

If USB doesn't sound best in any particular setup, it is because the USB system is not well implemented. More detail in this post by a Sonore designer:
https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/...rters-shootout/?do=findComment&comment=489519

Not sure what USB has to do with the specific question as the Jay's are CD transports.

@No Regrets & @DetroitVinylRob I just emailed Jay's directly to ask which output might be optimized, and if the response is I2S to also provide a direct assessment between the AES and Coax outputs. I will post their direct response if I hear back.
 
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The new Marantz Model 10 sacd will surprise many people and send many high-priced machines into retirement. They have specially developed a new SACD transport mechanism for it. I'm playing a clairvoyant, the Model 10 line (amp, preamp dac and sacd) will reach cult status at some point in the future. The feel and workmanship are great.
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I agree, however technically, properly implemented USB is the best choice. S/PDIF (which includes AES/EBU, Coaxial and Toslink), are handicapped by the buried clock signal. I2S is flawed because it requires a cable, which is subject to EMI/RFI. I2S separates the clock signal from the data, which is good, but the clock should be a few millimeters from the chip, not several centimeters.

If USB doesn't sound best in any particular setup, it is because the USB system is not well implemented. More detail in this post by a Sonore designer:
https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/...rters-shootout/?do=findComment&comment=489519
I guess I don’t know about technically. Are not all cables and electronics susceptible to RFI/EMI if not optimally designed? So isn’t this particular point moot?
 
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Not sure what USB has to do with the specific question as the Jay's are CD transports.

@No Regrets & @DetroitVinylRob I just emailed Jay's directly to ask which output might be optimized, and if the response is I2S to also provide a direct assessment between the AES and Coax outputs. I will post their direct response if I hear back.
Well, I’m saying that I contacted Jay’s directly and they let their distributor give the answer that I posted a moment ago, I2S. So it will be interesting/confusing if somehow you get a different answer.
 
Well, I’m saying that I contacted Jay’s directly and they let their distributor give the answer that I posted a moment ago, I2S. So it will be interesting/confusing if somehow you get a different answer.
Okay well it wasn't clear to me that you reached out to Jays directly versus directly to the distributor. In any event since not every DAC has I2S maybe an answer to my question between AES and COAX will provide an answer to that which I don't think you persued. Anyway, just trying to help
 
I don’t understand what you are saying here and what it has to do with me.

You posted that you were told I2S was the best, however, as I noted since not every DAC has I2S that I asked them to be specific relative to the other 2 connectors. If you aren't interested in that so be it, Don (No Regrets) is. I apologize for responding to you both simultaneously given your angst in my doing so
 
You posted that you were told I2S was the best, however, as I noted since not every DAC has I2S that I asked them to be specific relative to the other 2 connectors. If you aren't interested in that so be it, Don (No Regrets) is. I apologize for responding to you both simultaneously given your angst in my doing so
No angst here
 
For those trying to decide on Jay's CDT3 Mk3 output options, John Atkinson's measurement section of the Stereophile review of this unit should be of interest.
Thank you for sharing this tip... but, I must confess.... sadly, what John Atkinson had to say seems to have gone right over my head. If I had to venture a guess; was he trying to say that both the AES and RCA Coax digital outputs supposed to sound the same?

Best wishes,
Don
 

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