Introducing the LampizatOr Poseidon DAC

[shadowlight]

Time to start rollin’
how about these ?
’65 triple mica, very dht like.
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I am looking through the thread for tubes to try. Could let me know what tubes are this? Are they 6N1P-E?

 

[shadowlight]

If anyone wants to experiment with tubes in the Posseidon or Pacific we discovered a new 6N1P substitution tube. Game changer Ultra linear, ultra low noise and so much fun to listen.

Which tubes?

 

[SeagoatLeo]

I am looking through the thread for tubes to try. Could let me know what tubes are this? Are they 6N1P-E?

I haven't rolled tubes. I've lived with my Poseidon for 8 or 9 months. You should listen to it for a while prior to changing tubes. It is a great sounding DAC and pre-amp with OEM tubes. I don't have a SOTA system but it's high end.

 

[dbeau]

Which tubes?

+ 1 - always interested

 

[geetee1972]

I recently heard my Poseidon with Bendix 5992 tubes with a Mullard GZ34 fat base rectifyer and the combination was easily the best I'd heard. The Bendix tubes took some of the harshness in the upper trebble off the GEC 6J5 tubes I've been using whilst maintaining the leading edge dynamics and overall musical coherence, whilst the Mullard recitfyer added a lot of useful separation and imaging to the sound.

Sadly, it seems that Bendix 5992s are something of a holy Grail tube.

 

[Steve williams]

I recently heard my Poseidon with Bendix 5992 tubes with a Mullard GZ34 fat base rectifyer and the combination was easily the best I'd heard. The Bendix tubes took some of the harshness in the upper trebble off the GEC 6J5 tubes I've been using whilst maintaining the leading edge dynamics and overall musical coherence, whilst the Mullard recitfyer added a lot of useful separation and imaging to the sound.

Sadly, it seems that Bendix 5992s are something of a holy Grail tube.

I have a bunch of Bendix tubes which are unobtainium if anyone is interested. They are mint

 

[Steve williams]

I have a bunch of Bendix tubes which are unobtainium if anyone is interested. They are mint

so Ive been corrected...my Bendix 6900 are signal and not output tubes . Having said that when the H1 was released it was Lukasz favorite

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[JSA]

In my Neptune (which is same tube types as Poseidon), I am using JJ 6V6S instead of 6J5 and it is exactly removing the harshness. JJs are new production, inexpensive and excellent sounding.
6N6P have been replaced by E288CC (no adapter needed) with great results as well.
I am also tempted to try new production 6N30P from EH or Sovtek. Has anyone tried these already?

 

[shadowlight]

Anyone try EL34/6CA7/KT88/TK77/6550 type of tubes in place of 6V6, provided that they are supported?

 

[SeagoatLeo]

In my Neptune (which is same tube types as Poseidon), I am using JJ 6V6S instead of 6J5 and it is exactly removing the harshness. JJs are new production, inexpensive and excellent sounding.
6N6P have been replaced by E288CC (no adapter needed) with great results as well.
I am also tempted to try new production 6N30P from EH or Sovtek. Has anyone tried these already?

What harshness are you speaking of? I don't hear harshness in my system.
I read this on-line about using E288CC tubes instead of 6DJ8/6222/E88CC tubes.
"The E288CC / 8223 are absolute top sounding special quality tubes. They are not exactly the same as the E88CC / 6922. They require a little more heater current (0.475A against 0.3A) which the amps power supply has to deliver.
Also they have slightly different amplification and plate impedance, but this is not problem in common E88CC circuits."

 

[JSA]

What harshness are you speaking of? I don't hear harshness in my system.
I read this on-line about using E288CC tubes instead of 6DJ8/6222/E88CC tubes.
"The E288CC / 8223 are absolute top sounding special quality tubes. They are not exactly the same as the E88CC / 6922. They require a little more heater current (0.475A against 0.3A) which the amps power supply has to deliver.
Also they have slightly different amplification and plate impedance, but this is not problem in common E88CC circuits."

Regarding the harshness, I was referring to stock 6J5 which are good but a bit "crude" sounding tubes. When replaced by 6V6S from JJ Neptune gets even more natural timbre and a bit bigger soundstage.
I am very happy with E288CC replacing stock 6N6P in Neptune. E288CC is also a very significant improvement in my Pacific - truly great.

 

[JSA]

Anyone try EL34/6CA7/KT88/TK77/6550 type of tubes in place of 6V6, provided that they are supported?

On Neptune page in Lampizator site it says:
Tube compliment:
1 x 5U4G rectifier or equivalent, 274B, 5Y3, 5C3S, GZ34, GZ37, GZ480, 5AR4WGB
4 x 6N6P dual triode as input buffer or adapter fitted 6900, 12BH7, 7119, ECC182
4 x 6J5 or KR5 or 6C2C single triode as output buffer or 6V6 pentode (without adapter) or EL34, KT66, (or 6888 with an adapter)

I have tried some basic EL34 but they were not better than stock 6J5. In my setup much better results are achieved with RCA 6Y6G tubes (not expensive and no need for adapter, confirmed by Lampizator team that they can be used). JJ 6V6S are still better than RCA 6Y6G though.

 

[Francesco tube fan]

Hello, a contribution of experience from Naples, this is my first intervention on this beautiful forum, I share my experience with the poseidon and with lampizator in general. I am very fond of valves, I have provided my electronics with the best nos on the market until putting the 2a3 fivre monoplacca on my souga power amplifier. I was looking for a dac with a valve output, the lampizator always have enthusiastic reviews, so a lampizator was the first choice. I had an all Kondo amp line, even if entry level, the Poseidon was not in the budget that I had proposed, but it was love at first sight and the presence of the pre opened a perspective of comparison with the Kondo g70i line.
I have 40 years of experience and the poseidon has excited me like very few other things, to make it short, I sold the Kondo line pre and even the sut and phono pre Kondo for the lampizator vp4 silver.
in short the best upgrade of my system without spending money, far from it. I'm happy and I listen for hours without any effort, plus I have the possibility of having guaranteed and well tested nos tubes of every kind for a cautious rolling

 

[gleeds]

I generally prefer a pre-amplifier as well. That said, Lukaz has indicated that the preamplifier section is a limited and fully analog version of his all-out Posidean preamplifier. I'll directly compare the internal preamplifier to the WestminsterLab Quest pre with Seagoat shortly and share the findings once available.

I'll be doing the same with an earlier Horizon now running directly into our monoblocks after Axpona, however again I have been told by LF that pre is not up to the level developed for the Posidean.

now running directly into Almost certainly (but not conclusively) what you're hearing was the result of not playing it through the preamp. That collapse of soundstage is precisely what I would have predicted would be any potential downside to removing a good preamp.
I know that Lampi make a big thing about the preamp stage in the Poseidon but I just don't agree that it's better than 95% of preamps out there. I suspect, but don't know for sure, that a pre will almost always improve things.
Did you not even try it with your pre in place?

 

[Nuforce]

I'd love to sell my preamp and dac and just have a Pacific 2 but I fear the KR Audio P135 I use would be superior.

 

[shadowlight]

In my Neptune (which is same tube types as Poseidon), I am using JJ 6V6S instead of 6J5 and it is exactly removing the harshness. JJs are new production, inexpensive and excellent sounding.
6N6P have been replaced by E288CC (no adapter needed) with great results as well.
I am also tempted to try new production 6N30P from EH or Sovtek. Has anyone tried these already?

Any pointers for the source to acquire the JJ 6V6S. Same question for the RCA 6Y6G tube.

 

[JSA]

6Y6G I have bought on ebay from various seller's. Some from US and some from Europe.
In Europe, I have bought from Audio Aniqua couple of times: https://radio-antigua.com/en/module/iqitsearch/searchiqit?s=6y6g
Super good service and very reliable products.

Regarding 6V6S from JJ, I have purchased brand new from dealers in Europe. For instance here:

https://sklep.lampyelektronowe.pl/?219,6v6s-jj