Introduction of my new Antipodes K50 Music Server

kennyb123

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I've also got a K40 coming as a replacement for my CX which will feed my Devialet 1000Pro. Haven't read ANY reviews on the K40 (only K30 and K50) so wondering what it will sound like compared to the CX.


When you say playing music continuously did you just have the K30 playing music, but didn't actually have your amp on to play music through your speakers, or do you need all on for the burn in process to fully work?
I had my DAC on mute when I wasn’t listening. I don’t have a separate preamp, my TT2 feeds my amp directly. All that‘s needed to burn in a server is to have it sending music to a DAC continuously.

Note also that if you use Roon, it might be busy analyzing music after you first configure it. That can degrade sound quality.

I would strongly suggest reading the AMSv3 manual in advance. Antipodes does something different with storage that’s actually very smart. They create a single Logical Volume that’s shared amongst all server application. This is described starting on page 10. I added a 4TB Samsung 860 EVO to my K30. This is only partially full with the rest of my music stored on my NAS. Their approach brings it all together nicely to appear at /storage/music. Their software implementation was very much a pleasant surprise. I switch between Roon/HQPlayer and just HQPlayer (with Roon stopped).

 

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I had my DAC on mute when I wasn’t listening. I don’t have a separate preamp, my TT2 feeds my amp directly. All that‘s needed to burn in a server is to have it sending music to a DAC continuously.

Note also that if you use Roon, it might be busy analyzing music after you first configure it. That can degrade sound quality.

I would strongly suggest reading the AMSv3 manual in advance. Antipodes does something different with storage that’s actually very smart. They create a single Logical Volume that’s shared amongst all server application. This is described starting on page 10. I added a 4TB Samsung 860 EVO to my K30. This is only partially full with the rest of my music stored on my NAS. Their approach brings it all together nicely to appear at /storage/music. Their software implementation was very much a pleasant surprise. I switch between Roon/HQPlayer and just HQPlayer (with Roon stopped).

Interesting. I also have Roon/HQPlayer (embedded). I didn't realize Roon could be stopped while HQPlayer still played. My CX/EX is gone and the new K50 is due in this week, so I can't try this out right now. Please explain further. How does the SQ between the two compare?
Thanks
 

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Interesting. I also have Roon/HQPlayer (embedded). I didn't realize Roon could be stopped while HQPlayer still played. My CX/EX is gone and the new K50 is due in this week, so I can't try this out right now. Please explain further. How does the SQ between the two compare?
Thanks

Roon/HQPlayer is delightful for sure, but when compared to HQPlayer alone it’s clear that Roon slightly smears the music even when using HQPlayer integration. Stopping Roon brings a clearer picture with fewer sharp edges. I take it one step further when I am listening later at night with no distractions. I stop my network after starting an album of music stored on the local SSD using the iOS application HQPDcontrol v4. I have a Sonore opticalModule with an 8m span of fiber running to an EtherRegen - and then a Shunyata Sigma ethernet cable runs from the EtherRegen to the K30. The opticalModule’s power supply is plugged into a Kasa smart plug, which I can power down using my iPad. This removes a bit more of an edge and is the best the sound gets here. I would encourage every to try to have someone pull your network cable while you are listening to hear the harm a network does. My optimizations have reduced the harm, but Roon itself makes it worse as it is always causing network activity.

This is found at the bottom of the Roon configuration page for my K30. Super easy to stop and restart Roon. And when it’s stopped, I use this app to play music: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/hqpdcontrol-v4/id1518963245

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Interesting. I have not really tried HQ player yet. I really like the Roon interface. But with better sonics on HQ player I may have to give that a try.
 

kennyb123

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Interesting. I have not really tried HQ player yet. I really like the Roon interface. But with better sonics on HQ player I may have to give that a try.
Roon/Squeeze should be even better. No additional license required for this, unlike HQPlayer. Squeeze is very pure but HQP’s scaling can improve other areas depending on the filter selected. With my Chord DAC, HQPlayer provide a filter that give a good taste of what the M-Scaler can do.
 

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I preferred HQPlayer over Roon Ready running into my conventional dac, so I just bought the license solely for the SQ as a base player and the superior volume control, which is handy with the Pacific. No up sampling, transcoding, dithering, etc. Roon Ready is simply bad, bad, bad. All of the Roon features are retained within Roon Server. Maybe this dynamic changes moving from the CX/EX to K series, but I doubt it. Due to shipping issues, I’ve been without a server for a month now. Roon has released version 1.8. New Antipodes software. I have a lot to catch up on.
Bottomline, try something other than Roon Ready - Squeezelite, HQ Player, or other. TAS for Antipodes maybe?
 
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I had my DAC on mute when I wasn’t listening. I don’t have a separate preamp, my TT2 feeds my amp directly. All that‘s needed to burn in a server is to have it sending music to a DAC continuously.

Note also that if you use Roon, it might be busy analyzing music after you first configure it. That can degrade sound quality.

I would strongly suggest reading the AMSv3 manual in advance. Antipodes does something different with storage that’s actually very smart. They create a single Logical Volume that’s shared amongst all server application. This is described starting on page 10. I added a 4TB Samsung 860 EVO to my K30. This is only partially full with the rest of my music stored on my NAS. Their approach brings it all together nicely to appear at /storage/music. Their software implementation was very much a pleasant surprise. I switch between Roon/HQPlayer and just HQPlayer (with Roon stopped).

https://antipodes.audio/amsv3-guide/index.html?page=11
I had noticed that with Antipodes making one logical volume for the music files, it means any player can access my full music library either on the Antipodes or a NAS (I currently have 2 x 2Tb SSD's and looking at adding a 4Tb SSD to make up the onboard music for the K40).

I heard Roon Server plus Squeezelite is a good option for getting the best sound from the music files (Roon can put a bit of a smear on the files). Not sure yet how I go using Roon Server and Squeezelite as the player, as not sure if this is possible just with the K40 as only a music server. If I can only use Squeezelite on it's own to play the music I'll use Roon to find songs I like in the Roon interface (that is the number one aspect of Roon - finding hidden gems in the thousand upon thousands of music files), but then make up a playlist and use that with the Squeezelite player to listen to my music (I may have this all mixed up :p)
 
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I am using the Roon Squeezelite combination with my K50.
works nice and am happy with the result.
I recently updated my Silent Angel Bonn N8 switch to the Melco S100 switch (Keces P8 LPS),
which was a good performance update as well.
 

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I am using the Roon Squeezelite combination with my K50.
works nice and am happy with the result.
I recently updated my Silent Angel Bonn N8 switch to the Melco S100 switch (Keces P8 LPS),
which was a good performance update as well.
Interesting. I find using the new roon 1.8 actually sounds sligthly better than squeezelite. A little more dynamic IMHO. I am using Antipodes S40 as server/player.
 
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Interesting. I find using the new roon 1.8 actually sounds sligthly better than squeezelite. A little more dynamic IMHO. I am using Antipodes S40 as server/player.
I have been waiting for comments on 1.8. I must believe Roon is going to get their player figured out in time. Frankly it is ridiculous they have the library side so perfected and can't get the sound to a SOTA level!!
 

shakti

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Interesting. I find using the new roon 1.8 actually sounds sligthly better than squeezelite. A little more dynamic IMHO. I am using Antipodes S40 as server/player.
I have to try out again, I just changed my DAC, it will make the next comparison after the DAC has some hours more :)
 

kennyb123

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I was just delighted that Roon 1.8 (with HQP) didn't sound worse than 1.7 (with HQP). Since my K30 was still breaking in, I've not been able to say that Roon's sound quality got better.
 

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