Is the high end gear driven or source driven?

To me the gear exists to let me hear the music. Better gear exists to let me hear more of the music. I like many different genres some demanding, some not as much. My system was assembled in a way in order to handle the most demanding.

Classical music is what drove me off the deep end so I would say at least I was music driven.
 
Four things are noteworthy about DSOM: the heartbeat, alarm clocks, running threw hallway and coins being tossed on a pile of coins.
It is notewrrthy how those things become more articulate and pronounced as my stereo improved. The heartbeat in particular went form barely audible to frightening. The alarm clocks are almost real.
You definitely need a first class stereo to get everything that record has to offer.
 
Four things are noteworthy about DSOM: the heartbeat, alarm clocks, running threw hallway and coins being tossed on a pile of coins.
It is notewrrthy how those things become more articulate and pronounced as my stereo improved. The heartbeat in particular went form barely audible to frightening. The alarm clocks are almost real.
You definitely need a first class stereo to get everything that record has to offer.

---- I concur. ...Even if I'm way below ultra hi-end level.
...Some people are truly lucky.

BTW, in your opinion, what is the best recording of that classic title? ...The SACD, the LP (which one), ...?
 
---- I concur. ...Even if I'm way below ultra hi-end level.
...Some people are truly lucky.

BTW, in your opinion, what is the best recording of that classic title? ...The SACD, the LP (which one), ...?

1-15ips 1/4" master dub....i have 2 different ones.
2-MFSL UHQR 33rpm vinyl
3-i like the regular MFSL 33rpm myself next.

i don't have a UK original pressing or any Japanese pressings. i know some people swear by those.

after this is gets murky as there are a few different multi-channel versions you can make cases for. the vinyl quad mixes. there are discrete dts redbook mixes. you have the James Guthrie SACD multichannel mix.

i do not care for the 30th Anniversary Lp....i likely prefer the SACD.

i have not really listened to DSOTM for a few years. i got burned out on it. i do play other Pink Floyd often.
 
It's been a while. I'll go with the Mobile Fidelity. I did run across a used copy. The originals were very good. If pushed I'll defer to Mike.
 
-- It is amazing; the various copies we all have of this title!
Right out of my head I count seven different copies that I own of DSOTM (CDs, LPs).

Yeah, I like the Multichannel SACD version.
{And more from my Denon DVD-3930CI than my Oppo BDP-103; Universal players, and from the multichannel analog output.}

- And Greg is right; the heartbeats at the beginning require quality full range speakers, or quality subwoofer(s). Without it you just don't know how intense they are, and right from the very first heartbeat (most systems cannot resolve it).
 
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My uncle, my first and most relevant music and audio mentor, passed away about 10 years ago. He LOVED Louis Armstrong and loved almost as equally the objectivist audio philosophy. As you can imagine, his gear was plastic, albeit with fine naive specs. "Sounds as good as anything else," he'd say. His TT was an Optonica - the one with the second arm to allow for semi-programmable track access - saddled with (what else?) a V15. One day, as he and I were playing his LPs in his room, I couldn't take it and dragged his old ass to my house, Same records, totally different audio experience. Even he couldn't deny it. I guess my point is, the source may get us there, but the ultimate pleasure from the exercise comes from the actual (aural/musical) delivery from the equipment. In this case, full-blown HW19/SME/Lyra/Ayre phono vs the Optonica/Shure.
 
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My uncle, my first and most relevant music and audio mentor, passed away about 10 years ago. He LOVED Louis Armstrong and loved almost as equally the objectivist audio philosophy. As you can imagine, his gear was plastic, albeit with fine naive specs. "Sounds as good as anything else," he'd say. His TT was an Optonica - the one with the second arm to allow for semi-programmable track access - saddled with (what else?) a V15. One day, as he and I were playing his LPs in his room, I couldn't take it and dragged his old ass to my house, Same records, totally different audio experience. Even he couldn't deny it. I guess my point is, the source may get us there, but the ultimate pleasure from the exercise comes from the actual (aural/musical) delivery from the equipment. In this case, full-blown HW19/SME/Lyra/Ayre phono vs the Optonica/Shure.

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Hello Gregadd

You definitely need a first class stereo to get everything that record has to offer.

I agree with you completely the only point I was making that even on a lesser system it still works it magic. " The Great Gig in the Sky" is just awesome. I have the SACD on as I type. My favorite version before the SACD was the MFSL. I will never forget the first time I listened to it. It just blew me away, you could finally hear what it truly had to offer. At the time I had Koss ESP-9 electrostatic headphones, still have them. I used to use them as an aural reference to help set up my speakers with and through them what a treat that was.

Rob
 
-- Speaking of source; Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here - The very first time I listened to that album (LP) was an experience that I will never forget, and that I couldn't ever reproduce again.

* The album has just been released back then, and my friend bought it and invited me over for a 'loud' (volume level cranked up) trance.
It goes without saying that I purchased that album right afterwards.

The experience was more profoundly felt the very first time I listened to it over at my friend's place.
...Not because his rig and turntable was better than my own rig, but because the state of mind on that very first time cannot simply be reproduced. ...If you know what I mean.

Yes, today, thirty-eight years later, even with my SACD version, and much better electronics, I should be able to appreciate more; but you know what, no! ...Because back then, in 1975, I was much more receptive to what the surrounding world of that time was all about.

Today, in 2013, different music, by different artists are taking over, my soul.
And that for me is much more impactful than the gear, as the gear is only the perfected tool over the years.
But the music represents the true 'wave' of today. ...The artists living and feeling deeply the turmoil of this 2013's world.
...The ones with the artistic talent to musically speak directly to my essence, my soul. ...Be it from their vocals or/and musical instruments.

But yes too; the better your gear the better the chance to appreciate even more all that jazz.
And I just don't care if it is analog or digital, as long as the artist sounds natural and true to himself/herself.

--- Samsara Davanala
 
-- Speaking of source; Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here - The very first time I listened to that album (LP) was an experience that I will never forget, and that I couldn't ever reproduce again.

* The album has just been released back then, and my friend bought it and invited me over for a 'loud' (volume level cranked up) trance.
It goes without saying that I purchased that album right afterwards.

The experience was more profoundly felt the very first time I listened to it over at my friend's place.
...Not because his rig and turntable was better than my own rig, but because the state of mind on that very first time cannot simply be reproduced. ...If you know what I mean.

Yes, today, thirty-eight years later, even with my SACD version, and much better electronics, I should be able to appreciate more; but you know what, no! ...Because back then, in 1975, I was much more receptive to what the surrounding world of that time was all about.

Today, in 2013, different music, by different artists are taking over, my soul.
And that for me is much more impactful than the gear, as the gear is only the perfected tool over the years.
But the music represents the true 'wave' of today. ...The artists living and feeling deeply the turmoil of this 2013's world.
...The ones with the artistic talent to musically speak directly to my soul. ...Be it from their vocals or/and musical instruments.

But yes too; the better your gear the better the chance to appreciate even more all that jazz.
And I just don't care if it is analog or digital, as long as the artist sounds natural and true to himself/herself.

Bob, you need to travel down here to Seattle, and visit my room so i can play you 'Wish You Were Here' on 15ips 1/4" tape. it is absolutely the best sounding 'rock' tape i have. breathtaking. i only have side 2 from the song 'Wish You Were Here' on.....but it's a 'to die for' type thing.

it will blow your mind.
 
-- Mike, you are extremely tempting.

Wish You Were Here in 2013. ...Sounds pretty awesome to me already. :b

____________________

Let me see what I can do this year for this to materialize ....
 
I, for one, am source driven.

I manged to at one time, find out the real truth in that.

A situation emerged where I was sleeping in the 3rd floor apartment of what was essentially an older Victorian style house.

I heard a loud knock on the bottom door, that work me up. I went downstairs to see who it was, and saw, while advancing down the stairs.. that the very close next house over..was on fire. I then knew what the knock was about.

I ran back into the apartment... and looked at the audio gear....and looked at the records. I had to start moving some of it, down the back 3rd floor fire escape exit.

I went for the software, the records.... FIRST.

Equipment is replaceable.

I had the gun literally to my head and I had to chose..... a fully blown real and honest test, based in a moment of finality.

I chose music over audio.

It's all about the music.

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It's somewhat hard to tell if a person or thus, potentially, a company or group is gear or music (source) driven. Or, if this position they may hold, if it affects their capacity to actually search out the best sonic representation, or not.

High end audio, as subject on it's own, naturally requires that the business be gear driven, even if it may be in the context of serving the music. Business models require the creation of product and the adoption or sale of the product, by the given consumer, and in that context the model is only capable of being gear driven.

The hobbyist market, the DIY market, by it's nature, is going to be music driven, as it is about the orientation of best sonic creation at any price, via the self involvement in the process.

As a participant on and in DIYaudio, as a forum, and on other forums, it is easy to see this distance and situation erupt into confrontations due to differences in orientation. It is also easy to see in the distance between some consumers and some companies who produce equipment. To see the different types of mentality and psychology play out, in interaction.

Mental awareness and how we hear, how we idealize and the differing levels of this that we each have, in our various ways and in the various components, how this expresses in the given mind and life.

How some companies live and exist to move gear, all while projecting the concerned, enlightened and prophetic-like perfection in the decoding of audio signals, in the form of slick advertising.

How some, with no advertising, live in a somewhat opposite world, where they are concerned solely with the best reproduction and find customers via word of mouth only.

Due to the bell curve of how human exist in groupings, the company with the best public projection, is the one that 'wins' in the world of sales figures. In that, there is absolutely NO guarantee of any kind that the given company cares about music first and foremost, over that of sales. thus J Gordon Holt's saying/adage (I paraphrase from memory), "The better the advertising, the worse the gear". His was a well learned opinion on this subject.

In the world of audio, almost all possible variances to these sort of extremes are noted to exist.
 
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-- Yeah, great post KBK, and straight to the point of the matters. :b

* I lost several albums, and lots of electronic audio gear in the past; guess what I miss the most, even today?
 
Most manufacturers are focused on getting more out the existing recordings. Most consumers are interested in subjectively "huge" - for them to she'll out the cash, yet incremental improvements in audio gear. Just double the price and hear the improvement.

If it were source driven, you would see A LOT MORE REMASTERS. Guys would step right up, get a hold of master tapes, and pop them out like sausages. Yet you see very little of this.
 
Three words:

Remastered for iTunes

There them sausages my friend
 

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