Better than a Vyger Indian Signature MKIV with it's own (Vyger Vision) tonearm or the Kuzma XL Air with Kuzma Safir tonearm ?
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I feel the Pro is the clearly better turntable. Heard both in different systems.
I heard a couple Kronos pro turntables at my friends’ systems. I also set them up and measured them. If I’m not mistaken it’s around 40K, any rival at that price is better than that. All my friends already replaced them. I would look for other options with better performance. That’s my opinion.
Might you tell us more about your Vyger experience ? It’s not particularly a common turntable round these parts .
That's true, Vyger is indeed a seldom piece of turntable. Due to lack of time I try give you only a short impression about my experience... Approx. one and half year ago a friend of mine told me about a visit to an Vyger owner. He agreed to pick me up to the visit.
The Vyger is an impressive turntable, like a Transrotor, but two classes higher. Short beside appearance, it's sound is a mass loaded turntable on steroids, at it's best. The turntable is really fast with crazy transient attacks. It has a hell of control, grip and weight. Especially at bass. Clarity is great, too. Condensed to one picture, if Boulder would built a turntable, it is called Vyger.
Do I own a Boulder (which is world class electronics)? NO. I prefer darTZeel. Which says everything. My preferences are going to musical flow, harmonic expression, timing, palpability of the musical intention of the artist.
The Vyger is an impressive turntable, like a Transrotor, but two classes higher. Short beside appearance, it's sound is a mass loaded turntable on steroids, at it's best. The turntable is really fast with crazy transient attacks. It has a hell of control, grip and weight. Especially at bass. Clarity is great, too. Condensed to one picture, if Boulder would built a turntable, it is called Vyger.
Do I own a Boulder (which is world class electronics)? NO. I prefer darTZeel. Which says everything. My preferences are going to musical flow, harmonic expression, timing, palpability of the musical intention of the artist.
So you based this on one visit? I have heard Vyger with all those attributes you heard, and also the attributes you didn't. Sometimes together, sometimes separately. That's how sources work, depending on the systems and the records, which you did not mention.
You should stick to writing about your Kronos Pro, or post videos showing your musical flow, harmonic expression palpability and musical intention of the artist with your Kronos Pro. I can guarantee you I will produce better videos with the Kronos Pro than you do, but you can start.
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Thank you for your considerations , most interesting.
For my part I would say that with a turntable of this prodigious Energy, Inertia and Dynamism that the choice of associated pick up cartridge together with phono amplification is an important factor where :
“ musical flow, harmonic expression, timing, palpability of the musical intention of the artist.“
Are concerned .
Might you enlighten further with regard to said component parts and of the system as a whole that you heard ?
Who knows what Hank Mobley's musical intention was? But it's pretty clear that if he listened to the video posted above he would probably not recognize himself playing (or if he did he would certainly be ashamed to admit it).
The above video (for reference):
The same track from the Mosaic box set (Complete Blue Note Fifties Sessions):
System videos may not be the best way to settle pissing contests unless you want to get your own pants wet
The above video (for reference):
The same track from the Mosaic box set (Complete Blue Note Fifties Sessions):
System videos may not be the best way to settle pissing contests unless you want to get your own pants wet
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Rather a curious interpretation of the last few posts no .Who knows what Hank Mobley's musical intention was?
System videos may not be the best way to settle pissing contests
Whilst I cannot speak for member bonzo , I would suspect that his attached YouTube clips were somewhat more of an illustration of his point … rather than some form of definitive proof entered into evidence in the pissoir of controversy… altho they do rather support his frame of reference than otherwise .
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Do they? Maybe with some imagination. The digital file sounds so much better, it's hard fo me to see what point the video illustrates, and how videos could settle these types of debates.
If you are going to listen to Hank Mobley, at least do so on a system that's not going to make his saxophone sound like a kazoo (slight exaggeration of course)...it's not that hard!
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You cannot discern impressions from the YouTube clips ? Perhaps understandable since you most likely do not have an ears on frame of reference to the real thing as have the other respondents
You cannot discern impressions from the YouTube clips ? Perhaps understandable since you most likely do not have an ears on frame of reference to the real thing as have the other respondents
That may be the explanation. I have never heard any of these turntables. I feel like I am stating the obvious, but maybe the obvious here is not so important.
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That’s not hard to guess.
If you cannot make out how the system sounds (at least a general perspective) from youtube videos there is long way for you to go in this hobby. While the time passes and you become more experienced you’ll understand.
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I guess I deserved that! I enjoy system videos. Maybe someday it will be an Olympic sport.
If I offended you I apologize, that wasn’t my intention. I just shared my experience.
As a side note about the file you shared in terms of a better version; it sounds lifeless, lacking dynamics and instruments have a plastic feel. That may not be what you hear in your setup but keep this as a friendly advice.
Who knows what Hank Mobley's musical intention was? But it's pretty clear that if he listened to the video posted above he would probably not recognize himself playing (or if he did he would certainly be ashamed to admit it).
The above video (for reference):
The same track from the Mosaic box set (Complete Blue Note Fifties Sessions):
System videos may not be the best way to settle pissing contests unless you want to get your own pants wet
The second clip sounds flat and lifeless to me. Also tizzy whitish highs. I have seen better vinyl videos, but this one still sounds much more engaging than does the one from the Mosaic box set.
It would be fun to see this music on a Kronos Pro for the sake of the thread.
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