KRONOS Pro ... finally

[Bonesy Jonesy]

Dear Bonesy Jonesy,

I have a lot of respect for the work Mr. Boisclair is doing for the legacy of Wally Tools. I have seen his videos and explanations and the way he tried to find mechanical theories of his work.

If your Kuzma tonearm cable causes so much unwanted horizontal force, then unbending the cable is a way. But a risky one, the way this cables are thin and breakable. And what would you do if the cable is inside the tube. No way of turning it.
I can't confirm that I have unwanted and too high forces horizontally. In my case it is in a balance to the inherent skating forces and the system sounds fantastic. What matters the most for me. Yes, there is an effect of this cable, but not a problem. IMO there are some other factors like SRA, VTF or Azimuth which are much more important.

Hi 'redandgold',
My tonearm cable for my Kuzma 4Point 11" is no longer a problem (as explained in my first post).
I am not twisting the complete cable that also travels inside the tonearm, only the visible outer cable (like you show in one of your photos of oyur tonearm).
Yes, SRA, VTF, VTA, Azimuth, Zenith etc. are all very important and so is correct anti-skating for allowing your cartridge to operate at its optimum best when all of these parameters are set-up to within so called ideal parameters.

 

[redandgold]

One question, Bonesy Jonesy:

These unwanted horizontal forces, were they only measurable or were they also audible?

 

[Bonesy Jonesy]

One question, Bonesy Jonesy:

These unwanted horizontal forces, were they only measurable or were they also audible?

That's impossible for me to quantify 'redandgold' as I also measured and adjusted for all of the other cartridge and tonearm parameters using the Wally Tools before I listened to any music with these changes.

However, after using the Wally Tools and adjusting for the respective cartridge and tonearm parameters, the sound considerably improved in particular a lower record surface noise (I mainly listen with my headphone system), better instrument separation and a greater sound stage (deeper and wider).
Overall, I am so glad I invested in the Wally Tools.

 

[mtemur]

I agree with @Bonesy Jonesy, horizontal forces that apply to tonearm is as important as others. IMHO/IME anti-skating should be around %9 of VTF for a 12” tonearm. You can measure both anti-skating and stiction of bearings but I won’t go into details IOT prevent discussion. You can also use Wally Skater for this purpose in basic form.

 

[redandgold]

Happy to hear that I am not the only person who feels the Discovery RS tonearm is top option to get best performance of your turntable system. Found this professional review and want to share it with you. The Discovery RS received the Mono & Stereo 2023 Editors Choice Award. I can share his impression.

Kronos Discovery RS Tonearm Review – M & S | Ultimate High-Fidelity

www.monoandstereo.com

Have fun with reading...

 

[redandgold]

Some months ago Louis Desjardins called me per video and told me proudly and excitedly, that his new turntable is in the final step to finish. I felt to keep silent, but not it is official:

It will be shown at Munich HE together with Vivid Audio.

The player is called PERPETUAL. Last call the table stood side by side to his DISCOVERY and looked great. Design like the DISCOVERY, but a bit smaller, opposite "colors" and one arm.

Louis felt, the performance will come crazily close to the top modell. It will be more a question of taste. The DISCOVERY will stay the top performer with more implicitness and airiness, but the PERPETUAL is fast like crazy.

 

[Mr. Miyagi]

I have an RS Kronoscope tone arm. Thinking of moving to Kuzma 4 point 9 inch. Any thoughts on such strategic move?

Chance i might sell current table and go to something else.

 

[mtemur]

I have an RS Kronoscope tone arm. Thinking of moving to Kuzma 4 point 9 inch. Any thoughts on such strategic move?

Chance i might sell current table and go to something else.

4P is a great tonearm and 9” is the best version among others IMHO. It will be a nice upgrade.

 

[Mr. Miyagi]

Is the RS kronoscope junk?

Is Kronos junk?

 

[mtemur]

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Is the RS kronoscope junk?

Is Kronos junk?

I wouldn’t call it junk, far from that, but I would prefer other turntables with heavier platters, better, more silent motors. And more rigid tonearms too.

 

[Mr. Miyagi]

J siroka or kuzmi?

 

[byrdparis]

J siroka or kuzmi?

i had them all, i still have the J.sikora (zircon addition)
but know that the Sikora arm is a uni pivot.

 

[Mr. Miyagi]

I have the allnic H10,000 coming I got at near cost new - a friend telling me best phono in the world is Sutherland Dow locos - better than CH Precision

 

[redandgold]

Kronos is definitivly not junk! If you follow my posts in this thread, you can read, why the Kronos Pro IMO is the best turntable under 100k. I just wonder, if you buy a Kronoscope RS, I suppose you didn't just did it by accident. Thus the arm is too expensive. Why did you buy the arm before and what do you miss nowadays? Didn't you hear the Kronos arm before?

 

[Mr. Miyagi]

I listened to a lying and unethical dealer

All good - I like it but also I’m curious about J Siroka reference

 

[redandgold]

I am sorry for you! By good luck I have support directly from Louis Desjardins/Kronos and Aris Georgiadis/TLA.

Please consider, beside the performance of each part, the system plays as a whole. Even if one different arm has its strenghts, does it better the complete analogue system?

Concerning Kuzma arms, I felt only the new SAFIR 9 arm extraordinary good with different turntables.

 

[Mr. Miyagi]

i don’t have the Pro just sparta

Should I consider :

Kuzma arm?
J Sikora ref table?

 

[byrdparis]

i don’t have the Pro just sparta

Should I consider :

Kuzma arm?
J Sikora ref table?

i know in the past you cant fit any arm that is not Kronos on Sparta... i haven't seen any one with some others though.
so if you want to explore new worlds. you might need to get a different table first and decide which arm to put on it...

the j.sikora ref is a hack of VFM! also with their own arm the 12 OR 9 max...

 

[redandgold]

I would match Kronos with Kronos (spend your budget for upgrade to Pro, which has become affordable due to Perpetual) or match Kuzma arm with Kuzma or Sikora table. The synergy brings the performance.

 

[Mr. Miyagi]

How much is upgrade to pro - ie Louis does it or I have trade and buy