Lampizator Baltic 4
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Hello from Germany,
many thanks to the WBF-Members for your great job in share the knowledge and experience in using different tubes with the Baltic.
I own a Baltic 4, which I got from shakti and tried out several recommended tubes in the Last months.
Rectifier:
SE Aqua 274B / Bendix 6106 / Neotron 5UG / 596USAF / CMC Marconi 5Y3GT / RGN 2004 solid getter (sorry, but the good mesh tubes are out of the range) / RGN 1064 Big Mesh (very less expensive)
At the Moment I prefer a TFK1064 Big Mesh (1936)
Signal tubes:
S.E.S. 6SN7 Mouse Ear / Sylvania 6SN7 Bad Boys (thanks at Sablon - I hope, I'm right - for the informations about chris tube) / Sylvania 6F8G / GEC L63 / Raytheon VR67 / National Union VT-76
Right now I hear with the NU VT-76.
Diver tubes:
Different ECC82 (TFK, Marconi) / 12AU7 (Amperex Bugle Boy) / 12VH7 (RCA) / E80CC (Tungsram / La Raditechnique / Philips SQ)
For a while I changed between the TFK ECC 82 and the Philips or La Radoptechnique E80CC.
I've compared the data from the E80CC and the 12BH7 are similar to the 6SN7 or 6J5G.
The heatcurrent is with 0.6A At 6.3V the same.
All other datas are mostly near or between the 12BH7 and the E80CC.
At that point I will give the advice, that I've not got the official o.k. from Lampizator.
Because the 12BH7 and the E80CC are used without and problems, I wanted to try out the 6SN7 or 6J5G as driver tubes.
Unfortunatly the diameter from the Noval to Oktal-Adapter is to great for the hole, so you need a Noval Socket Saver.
At this time the Raytheon VR67 are in the position as driver tubes.
In my system I use beside the Baltic 4 a Roon Rock unit, a modified Linn Streamer and audiophile Switches with a BAT VK53SE tube preamp at active speakers and 2 active-controlled subwoofers.
For me the change from the Noval-tubes to the 6SN7 or the 6J5G unites the advantages of the ECC82 in warmth and corporeal reproduction and the E80CC in dynamic and more three-dimensional rendition.
Here some fotos.
Greetings from germany,
Rolf
many thanks to the WBF-Members for your great job in share the knowledge and experience in using different tubes with the Baltic.
I own a Baltic 4, which I got from shakti and tried out several recommended tubes in the Last months.
Rectifier:
SE Aqua 274B / Bendix 6106 / Neotron 5UG / 596USAF / CMC Marconi 5Y3GT / RGN 2004 solid getter (sorry, but the good mesh tubes are out of the range) / RGN 1064 Big Mesh (very less expensive)
At the Moment I prefer a TFK1064 Big Mesh (1936)
Signal tubes:
S.E.S. 6SN7 Mouse Ear / Sylvania 6SN7 Bad Boys (thanks at Sablon - I hope, I'm right - for the informations about chris tube) / Sylvania 6F8G / GEC L63 / Raytheon VR67 / National Union VT-76
Right now I hear with the NU VT-76.
Diver tubes:
Different ECC82 (TFK, Marconi) / 12AU7 (Amperex Bugle Boy) / 12VH7 (RCA) / E80CC (Tungsram / La Raditechnique / Philips SQ)
For a while I changed between the TFK ECC 82 and the Philips or La Radoptechnique E80CC.
I've compared the data from the E80CC and the 12BH7 are similar to the 6SN7 or 6J5G.
The heatcurrent is with 0.6A At 6.3V the same.
All other datas are mostly near or between the 12BH7 and the E80CC.
At that point I will give the advice, that I've not got the official o.k. from Lampizator.
Because the 12BH7 and the E80CC are used without and problems, I wanted to try out the 6SN7 or 6J5G as driver tubes.
Unfortunatly the diameter from the Noval to Oktal-Adapter is to great for the hole, so you need a Noval Socket Saver.
At this time the Raytheon VR67 are in the position as driver tubes.
In my system I use beside the Baltic 4 a Roon Rock unit, a modified Linn Streamer and audiophile Switches with a BAT VK53SE tube preamp at active speakers and 2 active-controlled subwoofers.
For me the change from the Noval-tubes to the 6SN7 or the 6J5G unites the advantages of the ECC82 in warmth and corporeal reproduction and the E80CC in dynamic and more three-dimensional rendition.
Here some fotos.
Greetings from germany,
Rolf
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Hello Guys.
I have been the owner of Baltic 4 for over 3 months and did some tube rolling as well. I didn't go to single Tubes like Rolf did, but it looks well tempting
I have my private Youtube Studio where I record some high-quality sound recordings and I recorded 6 different 6SN7 tubes so maybe you will find it helpful.
I have been the owner of Baltic 4 for over 3 months and did some tube rolling as well. I didn't go to single Tubes like Rolf did, but it looks well tempting
I have my private Youtube Studio where I record some high-quality sound recordings and I recorded 6 different 6SN7 tubes so maybe you will find it helpful.
If someone is thinking about Amber 4 or Baltic 4 this might be helpful
I would be interested in hearing more about your subjective appraisal of the VT-76. In reading about them it seems that their specs are not really an identical match for half of a 6SN7. I think that they have less gain and a greater plate resistance. I have a pair of them that have been gathering dust for about 20 years and might give them a try.
Thanks for the post.
I have 3 pairs remaining of the:
First post on the WBF with a link to a private sale
Posted in the incorrect spot (try the classifieds)
Richard
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@Ron Resnick have you had long demo of this one or is it part of your system now?The Lampizator Baltic 4 has just been released! It is now in production!
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From Lampizator:
Baltic 4 DAC - an evolution of a revolutionary DAC
MAIN HIGHLIGHTS
Every unit is SE and Balanced at the same time, no need to configure the unit as balanced
True balanced topology with four channels - one per each phase of stereo sound.
Our newest 2022 engine ELEVEN also with DSD512 on board as standard provides the conversion. Baltic will be the cheapest DAC in our lineup to have the Eleven, as it was primarily designed as a Golden Gate DAC engine successor.
True Copper output capacitors - same as in the Pacific and Golden Gate.
SPECIFICATIONS
PCM 760 kHz, DSD x512, fully balanced from input to output (SPDIF is limited to 192kHz)
Output impedance 300 ohm per phase
Output level: 3 Vpp
Operating systems: USB input is compatible with Windows, Linux and MAC
Tube Compliment: 2 pieces of 12BH7, 2 pieces of 6SN7-BE. (or CV181-T or 6H8C or 6SN7GT)
one rectifier DHD : 5U4G or 274B or 5C3S or 5Y3 or GZ37 or 5R4WGB
Standard front panel is : Powdercoat Structural Matte Black, also available Sahara Silver, Anodized
Black, Anodized Alu Silver
Extra cost: custom-fit flight case, Copper top
Baltic 4 VS Baltic 3 - What's new?
Visually - from the outside, the biggest change is in the volume control / preamp variant. It has a new resistor ladder, resistor-switching microprocessor, software and display from the Pacific DAC.
Especially the OLED display with 10x bigger window looks great and the volume control also sounds great due to our new impedance scheme and matching.
Another big change is in the analog section where big and bold 12BH7 dual triode replaced ECC82 as output driver.
In digital section - not only the whole circuit is replaced by our fabulous Engine Eleven, but also power supply and mains transformer is changed for the benefit of Engine Eleven's pure sound.
Function-wise we got one more input - and that in turn allows us to offer 4 inputs - namely USB,
AES/EBU, S/PDIF and TOSLINK - all one ever needs without need of customer choosing 3 out of
4. Consequently, since we give all inputs already, this selection has been removed from the website DAC configurator.
Smaller internal changes are among others: better grounding, better noise suppression, better
voltage regulation, better operating points of tubes, better volume matching, better muting circuits
and colder devices throughout.
Contact:
Fred Ainsley
Lampizator North America
(631) 813-8992
LampizatorNA@gmail.com
LampizatOr North America
LampizatOr represents one of the finest values in high-end audio. We provide custom, handmade vacuum tube hi-fi equipment to audiophiles and music lovers across the globe. - We manufacture, DACs, Amps, Preamps, transports and accessories.www.lampizator.com
According Lampis chart, the Atlantic 4 is better than the Baltic 4
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Might be time for another Dac shootout!The Lampizator Baltic 4 has just been released! It is now in production!
View attachment 102612
From Lampizator:
Baltic 4 DAC - an evolution of a revolutionary DAC
MAIN HIGHLIGHTS
Every unit is SE and Balanced at the same time, no need to configure the unit as balanced
True balanced topology with four channels - one per each phase of stereo sound.
Our newest 2022 engine ELEVEN also with DSD512 on board as standard provides the conversion. Baltic will be the cheapest DAC in our lineup to have the Eleven, as it was primarily designed as a Golden Gate DAC engine successor.
True Copper output capacitors - same as in the Pacific and Golden Gate.
SPECIFICATIONS
PCM 760 kHz, DSD x512, fully balanced from input to output (SPDIF is limited to 192kHz)
Output impedance 300 ohm per phase
Output level: 3 Vpp
Operating systems: USB input is compatible with Windows, Linux and MAC
Tube Compliment: 2 pieces of 12BH7, 2 pieces of 6SN7-BE. (or CV181-T or 6H8C or 6SN7GT)
one rectifier DHD : 5U4G or 274B or 5C3S or 5Y3 or GZ37 or 5R4WGB
Standard front panel is : Powdercoat Structural Matte Black, also available Sahara Silver, Anodized
Black, Anodized Alu Silver
Extra cost: custom-fit flight case, Copper top
Baltic 4 VS Baltic 3 - What's new?
Visually - from the outside, the biggest change is in the volume control / preamp variant. It has a new resistor ladder, resistor-switching microprocessor, software and display from the Pacific DAC.
Especially the OLED display with 10x bigger window looks great and the volume control also sounds great due to our new impedance scheme and matching.
Another big change is in the analog section where big and bold 12BH7 dual triode replaced ECC82 as output driver.
In digital section - not only the whole circuit is replaced by our fabulous Engine Eleven, but also power supply and mains transformer is changed for the benefit of Engine Eleven's pure sound.
Function-wise we got one more input - and that in turn allows us to offer 4 inputs - namely USB,
AES/EBU, S/PDIF and TOSLINK - all one ever needs without need of customer choosing 3 out of
4. Consequently, since we give all inputs already, this selection has been removed from the website DAC configurator.
Smaller internal changes are among others: better grounding, better noise suppression, better
voltage regulation, better operating points of tubes, better volume matching, better muting circuits
and colder devices throughout.
Contact:
Fred Ainsley
Lampizator North America
(631) 813-8992
LampizatorNA@gmail.com
LampizatOr North America
LampizatOr represents one of the finest values in high-end audio. We provide custom, handmade vacuum tube hi-fi equipment to audiophiles and music lovers across the globe. - We manufacture, DACs, Amps, Preamps, transports and accessories.
I believe there was a transcription error on that graph as there is no existing Atlantic 4 at this time.
I use the Baltic 4 in my home system and love it! If you are looking for a hyper detailed DAC this is not your piece but if you want something that makes everything that plays through sound like music this one is for you. As mentioned by other members, tube rolling takes it to another level. The good folks at Lampi NA can help you with that as they did me.
Enjoy!
Enjoy!
Hi !
i'm using Rockna Wavelight dac with PBN audio gears and Montana Sammy speakers. Rockna sounds very good in this system but i want just more 3d effect with the same dynamics of the Rockna.
Did you guys have made a comparison Wavelight vs Baltic 4 ?
We didn't have any dealer in France, did Lampizator have a return Policy ?
All best
Philippe
i'm using Rockna Wavelight dac with PBN audio gears and Montana Sammy speakers. Rockna sounds very good in this system but i want just more 3d effect with the same dynamics of the Rockna.
Did you guys have made a comparison Wavelight vs Baltic 4 ?
We didn't have any dealer in France, did Lampizator have a return Policy ?
All best
Philippe
Then you want the new Posiden DAC, which does the dynamics you want and everything else, too.
Thanks gleeds ! Poseidon will be very good but it is not in my budget…one day perhaps, if I sold my Guzzi.
I think I will go listening to a Baltic 4 when we will have a French dealer.
Mark from sablon audio sent me a video of his Baltic 3 and clearly, it’s sound very good in his system.
Best regards
Philippe
Hello,
rockna is a very good DAC and it is a hard contender but Baltic4 will have everything that you are missing from Rockna. This is exactly the reason of existence of our company. We have a 7 day test period with refund. You can test safely.
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