LampizatOr Golden Atlantic + TRP

Hi guys,

I'm currently using Denafrips Terminator Plus with the Hermes DDC, and now I'm considering to change the Dac from T+ to Lampizator Baltic 3 or Atlantic 2 TRP. I have a few questions.

1. Has anyone had any chance to compare the T+ with the Baltic 3 or Atlantic 2? If so, can we say this change is an "upgrade" or sideways move?
2. Lampizator dacs generally don't come with I2S input, but I found favorable results from members who modified the dac to accept the I2S input. From the website, it seems the I2S option is not available in order form, so is it possible to order the new unit with I2S input pre-installed?
3. Sonically, how much better is the Atlantic 2 TRP, comparing with the Baltic 3? Is it worth the additional cost?

Thanks

The Lampi website states that the TRP has over the Baltic "More refinement in timbre and color, natural purity," FWIW.

I'm also interested in if the Pacific digital engine can be installed in the TRP as suggested here, and where its sound then falls on the subjective performance bar graph, per Lukaz?

Interesting to see Lampi preamps now available. I wonder how they compare to built-in preamps? Presumably an upgrade? I'd love to hear one vs my Benchmark LA4 preamp (that replaced a Pass Labs XP22 and Don Sachs tube preamp) in my system behind the TRP DAC.
 
The Lampi website states that the TRP has over the Baltic "More refinement in timbre and color, natural purity," FWIW.

I'm also interested in if the Pacific digital engine can be installed in the TRP as suggested here, and where its sound then falls on the subjective performance bar graph, per Lukaz?

Interesting to see Lampi preamps now available. I wonder how they compare to built-in preamps? Presumably an upgrade? I'd love to hear one vs my Benchmark LA4 preamp (that replaced a Pass Labs XP22 and Don Sachs tube preamp) in my system behind the TRP DAC.
I was entirely unaware of the Pacific engine being an option for the GA TRP which I have. If this is true(?), I'd love to further investigate. One might wonder if any other electronics would need to be modified if the Pacific engine were to be installed. I would also want to hold off further tube rolling were I to go with the Pac' engine.
 
I was entirely unaware of the Pacific engine being an option for the GA TRP which I have. If this is true(?), I'd love to further investigate. One might wonder if any other electronics would need to be modified if the Pacific engine were to be installed. I would also want to hold off further tube rolling were I to go with the Pac' engine.
I’m like 99.9% certain having Pac engine in any other model is in the realm of wishful thinking ;)
 
Having read through all the replies in order to sort out which tubes I'd most like to try, I only saw a couple of brief posts from users who evaluate the combinations of Psvane Acme 274B with Psvane 6ca7 T2s (which I'm presently evaluating) vs, say, the Sophia EL34-ST, or KT88 (or even KT66?) with the Acme 274B. If you've given a good listen and/or comparison of these particular combinations, I'd love to hear your experience - realizing system dependency caveats are important in the mix. Thanks much in advance.
 
Having read through all the replies in order to sort out which tubes I'd most like to try, I only saw a couple of brief posts from users who evaluate the combinations of Psvane Acme 274B with Psvane 6ca7 T2s (which I'm presently evaluating) vs, say, the Sophia EL34-ST, or KT88 (or even KT66?) with the Acme 274B. If you've given a good listen and/or comparison of these particular combinations, I'd love to hear your experience - realizing system dependency caveats are important in the mix. Thanks much in advance.
For me the ACME 274b is an "effect tube".
I only liked the ACME 274b in combination with the very midrange-y GEC KT66 to give those NOS tubes a bit more shimmer and air up top and reduce their overly midrange fullness a little.
But with other, more linear output tubes, the main flaw of the ACME 274b is IMHO more obvious: it's "hollow" and lifeless midrange.

I do like both output tubes of yours, the Psvane 6ca7 T2 and even more so the blue Sophia EL34-ST but would not pair them with ACME 274b.

These are my experiences in my systems for my taste.

If someone wants to try the ACME 274b, I have a Pair of them with very few hours that I would let go if someone likes them.
 
I’m like 99.9% certain having Pac engine in any other model is in the realm of wishful thinking ;)

I’ve been led to believe that what lies ahead, once the Horizon launch and early production clears, is the application of some of the lessons from it and the Pacific to the TRP and other models.
 
That certainly should apply to software at least.
 
For me the ACME 274b is an "effect tube".
I only liked the ACME 274b in combination with the very midrange-y GEC KT66 to give those NOS tubes a bit more shimmer and air up top and reduce their overly midrange fullness a little.
But with other, more linear output tubes, the main flaw of the ACME 274b is IMHO more obvious: it's "hollow" and lifeless midrange.

I do like both output tubes of yours, the Psvane 6ca7 T2 and even more so the blue Sophia EL34-ST but would not pair them with ACME 274b.

These are my experiences in my systems for my taste.

If someone wants to try the ACME 274b, I have a Pair of them with very few hours that I would let go if someone likes them.
Thanks for the feedback on your experience! That's helpful. Good language you've used in your description of the Acme 274B (hollow, lifeless). What would be your top suggestions for a rectifier with Sophia 34-ST in the GA TRP? And I'm lame in terms of knowledge for purchasing tubes if you could mention that. Thanks much.
 
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Thanks for the feedback on your experience! That's helpful. Good language you've used in your description of the Acme 274B (hollow, lifeless). What would be your top suggestions for a rectifier with Sophia 34-ST in the GA TRP? And I'm lame in terms of knowledge for purchasing tubes if you could mention that. Thanks much.

Sophia Aqua 274B, which I use in both the TRP, with the Sophia EL-34-ST, and in a Supratek preamp (replacing the USAG 596 in both). I also have a pair of Sophia Aqua KT-88's on the way for the TRP. The latter are reviewed as being a bit on the warm side, top to bottom, not that the EL-34's are cold.

Following my suggestion, someone decided to try the Aqua 274B in their Auric preamp and has been keeping me updated. The following was written before a pair of 6SN7 Treasure Globes from Grant Fidelity arrived, which he also really likes:

"I have to admit, I am impressed with the Sophia Aqua 274B... I know from experience that diff regulators "change" the sound, and what the 274B is doing is very nice. I don't know that there are many hours on the tube, but the layering is splendid, the dynamics are impactful, and voice and instrument tonality is wonderful. This is with a pair of the very, very underrated Westinghouse 337 tall bottle, black plate 6SN7GTBs (Aric, maker of my preamp, turned me on to them)."
 
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Sophia Aqua 274B, which I use in both the TRP, with the Sophia EL-34-ST, and in a Supratek preamp (replacing the USAG 596 in both). I also have a pair of Sophia Aqua KT-88's on the way for the TRP. The latter are reviewed as being a bit on the warm side, top to bottom, not that the EL-34's are cold.

Following my suggestion, someone decided to try the Aqua 274B in their Auric preamp and has been keeping me updated. The following was written before a pair of 6SN7 Treasure Globes from Grant Fidelity arrived, which he also really likes:

"I have to admit, I am impressed with the Sophia Aqua 274B... I know from experience that diff regulators "change" the sound, and what the 274B is doing is very nice. I don't know that there are many hours on the tube, but the layering is splendid, the dynamics are impactful, and voice and instrument tonality is wonderful. This is with a pair of the very, very underrated Westinghouse 337 tall bottle, black plate 6SN7GTBs (Aric, maker of my preamp, turned me on to them)."
Nice to hear your experience with the Sophias. Just like most guys, I'm pretty sure I'll have to experiment with the DAC tube permutations to make "final" determinations. I don't have the luxury of tailoring the system SQ with a tube amp and tube preamp. At present, I'm DAC balanced to SS amp, so my DAC tube selection is of paramount importance. That said, I'm going back to experiment with DAC to pre, using gain and volume combinations to learn potential there. I'm familiar with the Supratek. What is your amp?

I anticipate most guys would immediately suggest a tube amp in place of the Pass Labs, and I entirely appreciate that. In fact, perhaps "with a little help from my friends" I can overcome the main obstacle in selecting a tube amp, i.e., power limitations. It seems that high end tube amps possessing the most desired architecture and sought-after tube employment seldom exceed 30W. Even with DeVore '96s, that's not quite sufficient (I'm anticipating the follow-up response of "...sufficient for what?"). I'd hope to be convinced otherwise, actually - so I'm not dogmatic. But that's a topic for another thread, isn't it?

For now, I'm interested in, say, the top 3 rectifier recommendations for the Sophia 34s in my GA TRP, realizing the SQ quotient will be system dependent, of course.
 
My amp is also SS, inside a pair of ATC 40A's (50ATSL's coming in a few months). I started with a TRP that included a volume knob run to the ATC's, with the TRP having faux XLR outputs. I've noticed some people preferring the direct route for its purity and I did at first for its simplicity, as it replaced a DirectStream dac. Then others here and elsewhere suggested a preamp would improve the sound and I found it did. I also wasn't sure the TRP could also drive subs. Chose the Supratek Chardonnay (soon Cabernet) from Australia over the domestic competitors both for its intentional bit of warmth and its XLR outputs, along with the pricing and lifetime transferable warranty. Haven't regretted the choice from a sound standpoint, I can't say the extraordinary search time and cost of tubes, along with repeated burn in time, has been gratifying, although I did learn a fair amount along the way. I heard of the Sophia's early on, but keep seeing people who downplayed some of their tubes, and I wasn't overjoyed with their cost, so went along. Unfortunate choice.
 
Nice to hear your experience with the Sophias. Just like most guys, I'm pretty sure I'll have to experiment with the DAC tube permutations to make "final" determinations. I don't have the luxury of tailoring the system SQ with a tube amp and tube preamp. At present, I'm DAC balanced to SS amp, so my DAC tube selection is of paramount importance. That said, I'm going back to experiment with DAC to pre, using gain and volume combinations to learn potential there. I'm familiar with the Supratek. What is your amp?

I anticipate most guys would immediately suggest a tube amp in place of the Pass Labs, and I entirely appreciate that. In fact, perhaps "with a little help from my friends" I can overcome the main obstacle in selecting a tube amp, i.e., power limitations. It seems that high end tube amps possessing the most desired architecture and sought-after tube employment seldom exceed 30W. Even with DeVore '96s, that's not quite sufficient (I'm anticipating the follow-up response of "...sufficient for what?"). I'd hope to be convinced otherwise, actually - so I'm not dogmatic. But that's a topic for another thread, isn't it?

For now, I'm interested in, say, the top 3 rectifier recommendations for the Sophia 34s in my GA TRP, realizing the SQ quotient will be system dependent, of course.
Which Pass amp do you have? I replaced exquisite sounding el34 and kt120 tube monoblocks amps with a Pass XA30.8, moving to XA100.8 for better dual use HT + audiophile 2ch (added dynamics/SLAM/headroom). I found both Pass amps to sound better balanced via a true balanced preamp, even though my GA TRP is SE. FWIW, I also had a bunch of nice tube preamps in the house but feel the GA TRP is so good that the added euphonics/warmth/even order harmonic distortion from the tube preamps concealed the amazing things the DAC was doing, and ultimately ended up with an nonintrusive SS preamp to let the DAC do its magic. That said, tube amps can be quite special, and you should give them a go if you can make the tradeoffs work for you. I love both good tubes and SS Class A amps.
 
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A month ago, I promised to do a review of different tubes in the Lampizator Atlantic TRP. Many tubes have already been discussed in much detail. Hence, I will focus on the WE274B and WE350B. Before I start, I have to admit that in the many years I have collected and listened to tubes I always loved the sound of Western Electric tubes. My Border Patrol 300B amplifier uses WE417a driver tubes, WE300B (1998) output tubes and a WE422a rectifier tube. My goal was to create a full Western Electric tube chain. That is why I searched for, and luckily found a matched pair of Western Electric 350Bs and a 274B rectifier for the Lampizator Atlantic TRP.

In general Western Electric tubes have a typical sound. They sound airy, spacious, delicate, natural and open. For lack of a better word: ‘beautiful’. Note that I did not mention ‘detailed’, ‘attack’, ‘slam’ etc. They are detailed, absolutely, have decent attack, but no slam. However, all that does not really matter. Once you press play, you just relax and enjoy the beautiful music. That being said, they have one major shortcoming, especially when you compare them to other great tubes, and that is the ability to deal with complex passages. That is in my opinion their Achilles heel. And of course deep bass and slam. Attack (mid bass) is decent, but slam (deep bass) is not. Now they all have this to a certain degree. However, in my case the 300B output tubes suffer (by far) the most from this problem. Once I changed the WE300B in my amplifier with the ELROG 300B the problem of bass slam and dealing with complex passages in music was solved. The ELROG 300B is really a great tube.

Back to the tubes on the TRP. As rectifier I prefer directly heated rectifiers over indirectly heated ones. Difficult to explain, but directly heated rectifier sound more clear and open to me in the TRP. For instance, I prefer the WE274B over the WE422a in the TRP, and the GEC U52 over the Cossor GZ37 (big bottle).

Rectifiers

WE274B:
very open, clear and natural sounding. The music flows with this tube. Horizontal (forward) flow (melody), lyrical. Great soundstage, very airy. All instruments are projected in one big open space. Very detailed, but naturally detailed. It is all there, but not as obvious as some other rectifiers. Again, that is the typical WE sound. Dynamics are good, bass is good, but not as deep as some other rectifiers. The main selling point is this natural flow of music in a grand open airy space. Addictive with classical music (symphonies and operas).

ELROG 274B: Similar to Western Electric I think ELROG also has a typical sound. Very detailed but with great tone. Absolutely not etched or sharp. Normally tubes with great full tone are warm sounding (Mullard, Cossor , GEC). Not this one. It sounds open and clear. Has great bass, and handles complex passages in music wonderfully. I love it, but it is a different type of sound than WE274B. It is a bit less lyrical than WE274B, but more dramatic (vertical oriented, harmony). It is more dynamic than WE274B as well. More edge of your seat type of sound. Not as airy and missing that last amount of natural flow that the WE274B has. But climaxes in classical music are handled with aplomp! Hence, more dramatic, less lyrical than WE274B.

GEC U52. Intimate warm sounding tube. Nice cosy sound. But for me, both WE274B and ELROG 274B are better is all areas except if you prefer an intimate stage with beautiful tone and a warm atmosphere.

Output tubes

With respect to output tubes, I will focus on WE350B and Tesla EL51 with Genelex KT77 as benchmark. I think the Genelex KT77 is a good tube: detailed, airy, dynamic. Slightly sharp and edged, or forced. To me, the WE350B and the TESLA EL51 are clearly better.

WE350B

The WE350B has that typical Western Electric type of sound. Open, airy, spacious, natural. Compared to the WE300B in my amplifier the 350B in the TRP sounds dynamic, bass attack is really good, and it handles complex passages in music well. There is no deal breaker here. It does not grasp your attention as much as the TESLA EL51, but I really love the naturalness and the open and airy sound. You just press play and before you know it is very late in the evening.

TESLA EL51. A fantastic tube. It shares some similarities with the ELROG tubes. It is very full sounding. Great tone, but very detailed. I think its main feature is Presence! It captivates you. Grasps you by the throat. It communicates the essence of music. It is very dynamic, has great bass, is completely in control of the music. It is less spacious and airy than WE350B. a bit less horizontal flow and naturalness compared to the WE350B. The Tesla EL51 graps your attention more. It communicates the music more directly. If you combine the TESLA EL51 with the ELROG 274B you have a nuclear bomb on your hands. Utterly exciting, but a bit too much for me. If your system needs a wake up call. This will do it.

So what do I prefer. At the moment I prefer the WE350B with the WE274B in the TRP. However, for change of scenery I will use the TESLA EL51 with the WE274B as my runner up, and the WE350B with the ELROG 274B next. It is not about what is better, this is on equal level, but with a different perspective on music. That is it. Hope this was helpful.
 
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A month ago, I promised to do a review of different tubes in the Lampizator Atlantic TRP. Many tubes have already been discussed in much detail. Hence, I will focus on the WE274B and WE350B. Before I start, I have to admit that in the many years I have collected and listened to tubes I always loved the sound of Western Electric tubes. My Border Patrol 300B amplifier uses WE417a driver tubes, WE300B (1998) output tubes and a WE422a rectifier tube. My goal was to create a full Western Electric tube chain. That is why I searched for, and luckily found a matched pair of Western Electric 350Bs and a 274B rectifier for the Lampizator Atlantic TRP.

In general Western Electric tubes have a typical sound. They sound airy, spacious, delicate, natural and open. For lack of a better word: ‘beautiful’. Note that I did not mention ‘detailed’, ‘attack’, ‘slam’ etc. They are detailed, absolutely, have decent attack, but no slam. However, all that does not really matter. Once you press play, you just relax and enjoy the beautiful music. That being said, they have one major shortcoming, especially when you compare them to other great tubes, and that is the ability to deal with complex passages. That is in my opinion their Achilles heel. And of course deep bass and slam. Attack (mid bass) is decent, but slam (deep bass) is not. Now they all have this to a certain degree. However, in my case the 300B output tubes suffer (by far) the most from this problem. Once I changed the WE300B in my amplifier with the ELROG 300B the problem of bass slam and dealing with complex passages in music was solved. The ELROG 300B is really a great tube.

Back to the tubes on the TRP. As rectifier I prefer directly heated rectifiers over indirectly heated ones. Difficult to explain, but directly heated rectifier sound more clear and open to me in the TRP. For instance, I prefer the WE274B over the WE422a in the TRP, and the GEC U52 over the Cossor GZ37 (big bottle).

Rectifiers

WE274B:
very open, clear and natural sounding. The music flows with this tube. Horizontal (forward) flow (melody), lyrical. Great soundstage, very airy. All instruments are projected in one big open space. Very detailed, but naturally detailed. It is all there, but not as obvious as some other rectifiers. Again, that is the typical WE sound. Dynamics are good, bass is good, but not as deep as some other rectifiers. The main selling point is this natural flow of music in a grand open airy space. Addictive with classical music (symphonies and operas).

ELROG 274B: Similar to Western Electric I think ELROG also has a typical sound. Very detailed but with great tone. Absolutely not etched or sharp. Normally tubes with great full tone are warm sounding (Mullard, Cossor , GEC). Not this one. It sounds open and clear. Has great bass, and handles complex passages in music wonderfully. I love it, but it is a different type of sound than WE274B. It is a bit less lyrical than WE274B, but more dramatic (vertical oriented, harmony). It is more dynamic than WE274B as well. More edge of your seat type of sound. Not as airy and missing that last amount of natural flow that the WE274B has. But climaxes in classical music are handled with aplomp! Hence, more dramatic, less lyrical than WE274B.

GEC U52. Intimate warm sounding tube. Nice cosy sound. But for me, both WE274B and ELROG 274B are better is all areas except if you prefer an intimate stage with beautiful tone and a warm atmosphere.

Output tubes

With respect to output tubes, I will focus on WE350B and Tesla EL51 with Genelex KT77 as benchmark. I think the Genelex KT77 is a good tube: detailed, airy, dynamic. Slightly sharp and edged, or forced. To me, the WE350B and the TESLA EL51 are clearly better.

WE350B

The WE350B has that typical Western Electric type of sound. Open, airy, spacious, natural. Compared to the WE300B in my amplifier the 350B in the TRP sounds dynamic, bass attack is really good, and it handles complex passages in music well. There is no deal breaker here. It does not grasp your attention as much as the TESLA EL51, but I really love the naturalness and the open and airy sound. You just press play and before you know it is very late in the evening.

TESLA EL51. A fantastic tube. It shares some similarities with the ELROG tubes. It is very full sounding. Great tone, but very detailed. I think its main feature is Presence! It captivates you. Grasps you by the throat. It communicates the essence of music. It is very dynamic, has great bass, is completely in control of the music. It is less spacious and airy than WE350B. a bit less horizontal flow and naturalness compared to the WE350B. The Tesla EL51 graps your attention more. It communicates the music more directly. If you combine the TESLA EL51 with the ELROG 274B you have a nuclear bomb on your hands. Utterly exciting, but a bit too much for me. If your system needs a wake up call. This will do it.

So what do I prefer. At the moment I prefer the WE350B with the WE274B in the TRP. However, for change of scenery I will use the TESLA EL51 with the WE274B as my runner up, and the WE350B with the ELROG 274B next. It is not about what is better, this is on equal level, but with a different perspective on music. That is it. Hope this was helpful.
Bravo!
 
A month ago, I promised to do a review of different tubes in the Lampizator Atlantic TRP. Many tubes have already been discussed in much detail. Hence, I will focus on the WE274B and WE350B. Before I start, I have to admit that in the many years I have collected and listened to tubes I always loved the sound of Western Electric tubes. My Border Patrol 300B amplifier uses WE417a driver tubes, WE300B (1998) output tubes and a WE422a rectifier tube. My goal was to create a full Western Electric tube chain. That is why I searched for, and luckily found a matched pair of Western Electric 350Bs and a 274B rectifier for the Lampizator Atlantic TRP.

In general Western Electric tubes have a typical sound. They sound airy, spacious, delicate, natural and open. For lack of a better word: ‘beautiful’. Note that I did not mention ‘detailed’, ‘attack’, ‘slam’ etc. They are detailed, absolutely, have decent attack, but no slam. However, all that does not really matter. Once you press play, you just relax and enjoy the beautiful music. That being said, they have one major shortcoming, especially when you compare them to other great tubes, and that is the ability to deal with complex passages. That is in my opinion their Achilles heel. And of course deep bass and slam. Attack (mid bass) is decent, but slam (deep bass) is not. Now they all have this to a certain degree. However, in my case the 300B output tubes suffer (by far) the most from this problem. Once I changed the WE300B in my amplifier with the ELROG 300B the problem of bass slam and dealing with complex passages in music was solved. The ELROG 300B is really a great tube.

Back to the tubes on the TRP. As rectifier I prefer directly heated rectifiers over indirectly heated ones. Difficult to explain, but directly heated rectifier sound more clear and open to me in the TRP. For instance, I prefer the WE274B over the WE422a in the TRP, and the GEC U52 over the Cossor GZ37 (big bottle).

Rectifiers

WE274B:
very open, clear and natural sounding. The music flows with this tube. Horizontal (forward) flow (melody), lyrical. Great soundstage, very airy. All instruments are projected in one big open space. Very detailed, but naturally detailed. It is all there, but not as obvious as some other rectifiers. Again, that is the typical WE sound. Dynamics are good, bass is good, but not as deep as some other rectifiers. The main selling point is this natural flow of music in a grand open airy space. Addictive with classical music (symphonies and operas).

ELROG 274B: Similar to Western Electric I think ELROG also has a typical sound. Very detailed but with great tone. Absolutely not etched or sharp. Normally tubes with great full tone are warm sounding (Mullard, Cossor , GEC). Not this one. It sounds open and clear. Has great bass, and handles complex passages in music wonderfully. I love it, but it is a different type of sound than WE274B. It is a bit less lyrical than WE274B, but more dramatic (vertical oriented, harmony). It is more dynamic than WE274B as well. More edge of your seat type of sound. Not as airy and missing that last amount of natural flow that the WE274B has. But climaxes in classical music are handled with aplomp! Hence, more dramatic, less lyrical than WE274B.

GEC U52. Intimate warm sounding tube. Nice cosy sound. But for me, both WE274B and ELROG 274B are better is all areas except if you prefer an intimate stage with beautiful tone and a warm atmosphere.

Output tubes

With respect to output tubes, I will focus on WE350B and Tesla EL51 with Genelex KT77 as benchmark. I think the Genelex KT77 is a good tube: detailed, airy, dynamic. Slightly sharp and edged, or forced. To me, the WE350B and the TESLA EL51 are clearly better.

WE350B

The WE350B has that typical Western Electric type of sound. Open, airy, spacious, natural. Compared to the WE300B in my amplifier the 350B in the TRP sounds dynamic, bass attack is really good, and it handles complex passages in music well. There is no deal breaker here. It does not grasp your attention as much as the TESLA EL51, but I really love the naturalness and the open and airy sound. You just press play and before you know it is very late in the evening.

TESLA EL51. A fantastic tube. It shares some similarities with the ELROG tubes. It is very full sounding. Great tone, but very detailed. I think its main feature is Presence! It captivates you. Grasps you by the throat. It communicates the essence of music. It is very dynamic, has great bass, is completely in control of the music. It is less spacious and airy than WE350B. a bit less horizontal flow and naturalness compared to the WE350B. The Tesla EL51 graps your attention more. It communicates the music more directly. If you combine the TESLA EL51 with the ELROG 274B you have a nuclear bomb on your hands. Utterly exciting, but a bit too much for me. If your system needs a wake up call. This will do it.

So what do I prefer. At the moment I prefer the WE350B with the WE274B in the TRP. However, for change of scenery I will use the TESLA EL51 with the WE274B as my runner up, and the WE350B with the ELROG 274B next. It is not about what is better, this is on equal level, but with a different perspective on music. That is it. Hope this was helpful.
Very nice write-up you've taken the time to compose. Much appreciated!
 
@Wjhen Thanks for the extensive review and thinking about pairing. For those with other tube gear, it even gets more complex. I take it you prefer "neutral" over a degree of warmth. Strangely, I didn't find the GE U52 warm at all, but did prefer the U50 in that regard, although not in others. The USAF 596's were my go-to until I came across Sophia Aqua 274B. I enjoyed the Tesla for quite some time and would still be using them had I not given the Sophia EL-34ST a try. It's more open, dynamic, etc. I'm hoping their KT-88 keeps it that way with a touch more warmth — or maybe I should call it a touch of sweetness.

Unfortunately, when it comes to giving a listen, most of the tubes you've reviewed come quite dear; e.g., Tube Depot shows the older WE350B at $1195 each, and the WE274B's are hard to come by, unless one can live with one of the Chinese replicas. It seems the Elrog are also hard to come by and relatively expensive (only found a Singapore dealer showing them, for about USD620 + shipping). Keep the reviews coming as things develop.
 
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@Wjhen Thanks for the extensive review and thinking about pairing. For those with other tube gear, it even gets more complex. I take it you prefer "neutral" over a degree of warmth. Strangely, I didn't find the GE U52 warm at all, but did prefer the U50 in that regard, although not in others. The USAF 596's were my go-to until I came across Sophia Aqua 274B. I enjoyed the Tesla for quite some time and would still be using them had I not given the Sophia EL-34ST a try. It's more open, dynamic, etc. I'm hoping their KT-88 keeps it that way with a touch more warmth.

Unfortunately, when it comes to giving a listen, most of the tubes you've reviewed come quite dear; e.g., Tube Depot shows the older WE350B at $1195 each, and the WE274B's are hard to come by, unless one can live with one of the Chinese replicas. It seems the Elrog are also hard to come by and relatively expensive (only found a Singapore dealer showing them, for about USD620 + shipping). Keep the reviews coming as things develop.
Your consideration of the Elrogs is a nice thought - to me it almost seemed to almost come out of nowhere when I read you post. And, yeah, they've gotten some good comments around the globe, so it does kinda make you scratch your chin a bit...hmm.
 
Highstream, you are absolutely correct. NOS Western Electric tubes are vey expensive. I bought mine from Brent Jessee. And if you look at them in terms of value for money, I say it is a definitive no go. Western Electric tubes are not better than other great tubes. They just have a typical sound that I happen to like.

The whole concept of warm vs neutral sounding tubes is a bit misleading I think. We all have different ideas about what it entails. About the GEC U52. I like it, do not get me wrong. They just do not fit as well as some others with the music I mostly listen too. That is large symphonies and opera.

I posted my review of the WE tubes because as of yet they were not being discussed. Hopefully it gives you an idea whether they are worth it for further exploration. Remember, at a certain level there is no better, it is different flavors. An expensive tube does not automatically make a better tube. Your comments on the Sophia Electric tubes are very interesting. If they are equal level as TESLA EL51 and WE350B they are a very nice find. And they look beautiful too.

Elrog tubes are expensive as well, €690 for the 274B, but they are very good. You can order them directly from Thomas Mayer at Elrog.com. Just to be sure, I have tested the Elrog 274B and WE274B against the RCA 5R4GY 1944. The RCA are good. They sound clear, spacious, detailed with good bass. But they are less expressive than both WE274B and Elrog 274B. There is a more direct connection between you and the music with WE274B and Elrog 274B. Elrog is also very good in timbre of instruments. You hear more of the notes played (overtones, undertones). Really special. You can easily distinguish between different type of guitars etc. Quite unique. Whether they are worth the money is up to you, but the quality is there. And half the price of the WE274B.

Truth to be told. Until recently, I was a bit dogmatic. I did not believe new production tubes could be as good as NOS. Well, the Elrog tubes have giving me my wake up call.
 
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Hi guys,

I'm currently using Denafrips Terminator Plus with the Hermes DDC, and now I'm considering to change the Dac from T+ to Lampizator Baltic 3 or Atlantic 2 TRP. I have a few questions.

1. Has anyone had any chance to compare the T+ with the Baltic 3 or Atlantic 2? If so, can we say this change is an "upgrade" or sideways move?
2. Lampizator dacs generally don't come with I2S input, but I found favorable results from members who modified the dac to accept the I2S input. From the website, it seems the I2S option is not available in order form, so is it possible to order the new unit with I2S input pre-installed?
3. Sonically, how much better is the Atlantic 2 TRP, comparing with the Baltic 3? Is it worth the additional cost?

Thanks

Review of the Baltic 3 out today: https://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0222/LampizatOr_Baltic3_Hi_Res_Audio_DAC_Review.htm
 
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