London Decca Jubilee revisited - combination with SME 3012R ?

UEM

Well-Known Member
Dec 26, 2017
91
49
125
Waedenswil, near Zuerich, Switzerland
======
Just ordinary blue tac between the plastic bracket and the headshell?
=======
How do you assure that it is mounted parallel ?

Urs
 

jespera

Well-Known Member
Jan 12, 2018
494
539
200
London
Correction: i think the idea is to fill the space btw cartrdge body and headshell with blue tac. Not to stick it between the mounting bracket and headshell.
 

Audiophile Bill

Well-Known Member
Mar 23, 2015
4,293
4,093
675
Evening folks. All this talk of Decca and I just couldn’t resist getting my nos Blue on the Bergmann and listening to some Olof playing various sonatas. Delicious sound - so vibrant and alive. Energy pouring into the room. Have to say the left hand of the piano had real grip, clarity and texture. I would say more so than my infinitely more expensive Red Sparrow. Sparrow more refined on top with more nuance but I could *easily* live with a Decca as my cart. I am going to get the Decca set up permanently on a vintage idler now - just would be lovely to experience it more often.
 

Ed.P

Well-Known Member
Mar 12, 2018
71
95
123
I also use a Blue occasionally.
 

Audiophile Bill

Well-Known Member
Mar 23, 2015
4,293
4,093
675

Audiophile Bill

Well-Known Member
Mar 23, 2015
4,293
4,093
675

Solypsa

Well-Known Member
Jun 7, 2017
1,811
1,400
275
Seattle
www.solypsa.com
For sure thats a Groovemaster with a Schick headshell....
 

Audiophile Bill

Well-Known Member
Mar 23, 2015
4,293
4,093
675
Yes groovemaster 2 with titanium arm wand, schick headshell, and ptp.

Elephant snot and pencil lead from the tiger shop.

Nice
 

UEM

Well-Known Member
Dec 26, 2017
91
49
125
Waedenswil, near Zuerich, Switzerland
Sorry, for my ignorance:

What’s this “Elephant Snot” & “pencil lead form the tiger shop” o_O

Thanks for any “enlightenments” ;)

Urs
 

jespera

Well-Known Member
Jan 12, 2018
494
539
200
London
Sorry, for my ignorance:

What’s this “Elephant Snot” & “pencil lead form the tiger shop” o_O

Thanks for any “enlightenments” ;)

Urs

If you look in the picture in #45 you can see some white stuff between the cartridge body and the headshell.
That's a version of blue tac sold under the name "elephant snot" by a danish chain store called flying tiger
(also present in Italy and UK). It is used here to dampen resonances in the cartridge enclosure.

https://shop.dk.flyingtiger.com/products/elefantsnot-3006415

You'll also notice a horisontal line sticking out from a the top of the cartridge body. That's a piece of pencil
lead, and it is used to check the azimuth.

Hope that helps.
 
  • Like
Reactions: UEM and Lagonda

manisandher

Well-Known Member
Feb 7, 2011
243
217
950
www.the2ndtier.com
I’m a Wannabe-DECCA-Newcomer and seeking advice...

Hi Urs, I don't have a Jubilee, but have a Reference, and am happy to share my experience.

I've tried the Reference on a number of arms now, including a 12" Ultracraft AC-400 oil-damped unipivot and a 9" SME 3009 (pre-improved). I couldn't really get it to sing on either.

By far the best results I've achieved have been with a new Townshend Excalibur arm, using its front-mounted oil trough:

London Decca on Townshend Rock.jpg

Using a test record, I can see LF resonances pretty much disappear with the oil trough engaged.

It was a total PITA to set up, due to the tip being so far forward on the cartridge body. But as other people have suggested, it's worth persisting with, as the sound can be truly sublime - dynamics and sheer slam to die for. (And I have zero issues with tracing.)

Good luck!

Mani.
 

manisandher

Well-Known Member
Feb 7, 2011
243
217
950
www.the2ndtier.com
Is this the Decca London Ref? A cart that really splits opinions...I know how I feel about it.

Marc, I tried the Reference on my Transfi T3Pro (when I still had it) and it sounded truly awful - a match made in hell. My experience was that the T3Pro sounded best with high-compliance cartridges (MMs sounded good), which the Reference certainly isn't. If that's the only experience you've had of the Reference, I can only say that you've not heard it at anywhere near its true potential.

Mani.
 

spiritofmusic

Well-Known Member
Jun 13, 2013
14,625
5,432
1,278
E. England
Ironic really, Vic developed the arm mainly with the London Ref on it. He's since moved onto MM carts.
 

Lagonda

VIP/Donor
Feb 3, 2014
3,503
4,803
1,255
Denmark
If you look in the picture in #45 you can see some white stuff between the cartridge body and the headshell.
That's a version of blue tac sold under the name "elephant snot" by a danish chain store called flying tiger
(also present in Italy and UK). It is used here to dampen resonances in the cartridge enclosure.

https://shop.dk.flyingtiger.com/products/elefantsnot-3006415

You'll also notice a horisontal line sticking out from a the top of the cartridge body. That's a piece of pencil
lead, and it is used to check the azimuth.

Hope that helps.
LOL, da fik du mig sgu til at grine :)
 
  • Like
Reactions: jespera

jespera

Well-Known Member
Jan 12, 2018
494
539
200
London
Yes truly esoteric remedies in the pursuit of perfect sound reproduction...

My conclusion on the decca maroon (so far at least) is that it requires very careful alignment. This can only really be done by ear. Specifically, significant negative vta is required. So aligned, the decca rewards with record high detail and hifi level. I hear new music on old tracks. Tone is not bad either but to these ears more in the direction of the clarity and clicks and pops of 78s than the warmth and foregiveness of LPs.

It can be truly great on the best acoustic recordings such as ben webster, bill evans, miles davis. But it lacks physicality on beat driven material. For example bill withers, marvin gaye, neil young.

On such records, to my ears, the decca/groovemaster combination looses out to the fat arsed sweetness of the denon 103 in the prehistoric L70 tonearm.

Both used on the same turntable — the ptp. And in the same groove.

That said, there are probably better deccas like the vintage ones. There are possibly also better arms for it, for example decca’s original unipivot.

Jesper
 

manisandher

Well-Known Member
Feb 7, 2011
243
217
950
www.the2ndtier.com
Ironic really, Vic developed the arm mainly with the London Ref on it. He's since moved onto MM carts.

Yep, and that's why I bought the T3Pro. It was clear immediately that the T3Pro, with its linear air bearing, simply wasn't providing enough (any?) damping for the Reference. But I must have heard some of the Reference's magic come through because it has stayed, whereas the T3Pro has long gone. (Nice arm with the right cartridge though.)

Mani.
 
  • Like
Reactions: bonzo75

UEM

Well-Known Member
Dec 26, 2017
91
49
125
Waedenswil, near Zuerich, Switzerland
Thanks guys,

I realise that I'll be on the way to a “snotty (?!?) & tacky" experience….

I do have some of these damping mats to go between cartridge and head shell, which I’ll try.

Regards
Urs
 

spiritofmusic

Well-Known Member
Jun 13, 2013
14,625
5,432
1,278
E. England
Yep, and that's why I bought the T3Pro. It was clear immediately that the T3Pro, with its linear air bearing, simply wasn't providing enough (any?) damping for the Reference. But I must have heard some of the Reference's magic come through because it has stayed, whereas the T3Pro has long gone. (Nice arm with the right cartridge though.)

Mani.
Yes (to your last comment in brackets).
 

About us

  • What’s Best Forum is THE forum for high end audio, product reviews, advice and sharing experiences on the best of everything else. This is THE place where audiophiles and audio companies discuss vintage, contemporary and new audio products, music servers, music streamers, computer audio, digital-to-analog converters, turntables, phono stages, cartridges, reel-to-reel tape machines, speakers, headphones and tube and solid-state amplification. Founded in 2010 What’s Best Forum invites intelligent and courteous people of all interests and backgrounds to describe and discuss the best of everything. From beginners to life-long hobbyists to industry professionals, we enjoy learning about new things and meeting new people, and participating in spirited debates.

Quick Navigation

User Menu

Steve Williams
Site Founder | Site Owner | Administrator
Ron Resnick
Site Co-Owner | Administrator
Julian (The Fixer)
Website Build | Marketing Managersing