Magico M7 2023
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Will Peter Mackay and/or Jeff Fritz at the Tokyo Audio Show this weekend?
I'm sure the Japanese potential M7 buyers want to ask them a lot of questions.
Thanks for the video Ron.
The two questions with the shortest and most abrupt responses were about Magico developing a four tower system and a horn speaker. The former response seemed cut short or edited out. The later response was an emphatic “no”. I would have liked to see a follow up question to either of those responses. The sign off was also intriguing with promises of exciting new things to come.
The two questions with the shortest and most abrupt responses were about Magico developing a four tower system and a horn speaker. The former response seemed cut short or edited out. The later response was an emphatic “no”. I would have liked to see a follow up question to either of those responses. The sign off was also intriguing with promises of exciting new things to come.
I cut that short only because Jeff launched into a discussion of how the optional Magico subwoofers kind of constitute a four tower system. (Totally understandable from the point of view of a loudspeaker company marketing person, I believe.)
I explained, however, that in my conception an explicitly four tower system is one in which no individual tower is itself a full-range loudspeaker. (Obviously, I am thinking EA MM7, Gryphon Kodo, YG XV. I am not thinking XVX plus Master Subsonics, or M7s plus Titans.)
Jeff substantially agreed with that, and so it did not make sense to keep in the video the optional subwoofer discussion.
There was no further comment or discussion about horn drivers or horn loudspeakers.
I agree!
I came away from my research for the interview with a greatly increased appreciation for the lengths Magico goes through to implement and to realize its objective measurements process and its design objectives in its loudspeakers.
i've been speaking about the -4- 11" mid bass woofers (with a pair of 7" mid range drivers) in my Evolution Acoustics MM7's and how musically significant they are for years, and now Magico is making a big deal about -2- 9" mid-bass woofers (with a single 5" mid range driver).....people will get it as they push that idea. and how that part of the design in common with the M9 is important.
and that the M9 is mostly different since it moves more air, like my MM7's do too.
the mid bass drivers are big deal not previously really appreciated. huge even. but the media clout of Magico will get it some traction.
and that the M9 is mostly different since it moves more air, like my MM7's do too.
the mid bass drivers are big deal not previously really appreciated. huge even. but the media clout of Magico will get it some traction.
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That mid bass to lower midrange area is critical. Ron is searching for more of it in his system. It is interesting that the idea is being more discussed now, or we are just noticing it more now in discussions about cone tower speakers systems. Power delivery, cartridges, and other methods also can be investigated to improve results in this range. Some simple two way speakers with crossovers around 500 Hz perform very well there as well. Ask Bonzo about FLH.
Peter will be there for sure. Not sure about Jeff.Will Peter Mackay and/or Jeff Fritz at the Tokyo Audio Show this weekend?
I'm sure the Japanese potential M7 buyers want to ask them a lot of questions.
I've talked and written a lot about the critical upper bass to lower midrange frequency range, and the importance of driver surface area there, in a variety of contexts and about a variety of speakers:
-- Martin Logan Neolith midbass woofer
-- Martin Logan CLX versus Neolith
-- discussion of the enormous driver surface area below 1,600Hz on Divin Majestic
-- discussion of the enormous driver surface area below 1,200H on PBN M777
-- discussion of the importance to the Martin Logan Statement E2 loudspeaker of the vertical array of midbass woofers
-- I'm sure I discussed the MM7's midbass driver surface area in my visit report to Mike's
-- I am pretty sure I discussed this as well about Rockport Arrakis
-- Martin Logan Neolith midbass woofer
-- Martin Logan CLX versus Neolith
-- discussion of the enormous driver surface area below 1,600Hz on Divin Majestic
-- discussion of the enormous driver surface area below 1,200H on PBN M777
-- discussion of the importance to the Martin Logan Statement E2 loudspeaker of the vertical array of midbass woofers
-- I'm sure I discussed the MM7's midbass driver surface area in my visit report to Mike's
-- I am pretty sure I discussed this as well about Rockport Arrakis
I have written too, and I think better examples of critical upper bass to lower midrange integration due to driver surface areas are dual 15 inch or 18 inch woofers, with simple crossovers, east to move. Not only do they move a lot of air, they require much less grip and drive, and can do that with low watt valves.
Will Peter Mackay and/or Jeff Fritz at the Tokyo Audio Show this weekend?
I'm sure the Japanese potential M7 buyers want to ask them a lot of questions.
Sales will double when both Peter’s retire , you either know or you dont ..
Very interesting interview!
The philosophy with the dual 9" midbass is similar to that of what Carl Marchisotto said about the Phalanx's 5 x 5.5" midbass units in a 4 way configuration. The midbass punch is certainly one of the Phalanx's best features.
i have my doubts about 4+ way speakers, as it is really difficult to get that many drivers to integrate. I spent over a 1000 hours working on the Phalanx crossovers to get them to be coherent.
A couple of things I would really hope to see in a $375K speaker:
1. Superior Magnet structures. It's not just the moving parts that are important in a driver, it's also the motor! Although Neodymium magnets have the greatest strength to weight, they are the poorest at maintaining their field against the motion of the driver. Why can't modern developers use AlNiCo magnets which are vastly superior for audio application. Yes AlNiCo magnets are very expensive, but in a $375K speaker?
2. External crossovers. This is one of the first things I would do to upgrade any speaker, is get the crossover out of the box where it is subjected to both vibration and magnetic fields.
I personally would also prefer lower order crossovers and greater driver time alignment, but that is just me.
Where will the next break throughs occur in the high end? Having been at this a long time it seems to me significant audio improvements are rare. Was it the CD or the vinyl Lp's of the 40's? Perhaps the AR3 or electrostatic? How about DSP from rocket scientists? The sonic benefits most often discussed here are incremental at best. We can tweak all day long with cables and clocks but ultimately it's baby steps. What I look forward to is an affordable technology breakthrough available to all that achieves most of our audio goals. Not almost $400K speakers.
As long as people keep buying speakers (or amps or whatever) priced at a quarter million (per component
) the brands will gladly continue to cater the customers "demands" Why wouldn't they?
What about using other materials than mdf or - in the case of the M7 and M9 - aluminium for the cabinets? Imho aluminum is far from an ideal material to use for high end purposes. For example I am pretty sure that my Wadax reference combo would sound even (much) more impressive when for example copper would have been used in stead of aluminum (the Wadax combo are btw the only high end components with aluminum I am playing with in my set up).
Given the limited number of people who will spend this kind of money on stereo speakers, how many do you think will sell?
Price
At this level, I'm sure they will be very impressive. Maybe I will watch the used market for a pair of M2/M3/M6. Surely current M owners need to upgrade
It will interesting to see how well it sells vs Chronosonic XVXGiven the limited number of people who will spend this kind of money on stereo speakers, how many do you think will sell?
Price
At this level, I'm sure they will be very impressive. Maybe I will watch the used market for a pair of M2/M3/M6. Surely current M owners need to upgrade
