More Consensus That Streaming Is An Inferior Format & Not High End?
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I hope there is a nice big Persian rug on that beautiful granite floor, just out of sight !
my ceiling is all 3/4" finish grade plywood glued and screwed, but it's not flat. different chambers and built in diffusion. treated with some pieces of cloth in carefully tested places. the shape of a ceiling is more significant than the untreated choice of material. rough grain wood slats might be a bit better than painted sheetrock, that i would agree with. not quite as reflective. wood as a surface material in a listening room seems to be a positive thing. anecdotally speaking.
I use some rugs on the floor and it reduces the RT , thicker rugs from natural wool are good for lowering RT. what is interesting to me is we used some natural wood for first reflections (ceil, floor and side walls) the tone was better than rugs, to me rugs and furnitures and curtains and flowers all are ok for lowering RT but not in first reflections. I love 1cm-2cm (thickness) natural wood for first reflections.behind the speakers we can use more absorbers when the speakers are 2m-3m from back wall but near speakers I do not use any absorber or diffuser, just simple surface of natural wood.I hope there is a nice big Persian rug on that beautiful granite floor, just out of sight !
I prefer to place my speakers first then start to enhance the RT . Both room shape/dimension and speaker position are far important than RT. Lowering RT is very simple but room shape speaker interaction is far more complex.
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I simply do not believe that what you are showing us … and what you are describing as a purpose built treated listening room are one and the same .
Your room is in reality a bog standard modern apartment build skim and paint set of walls … and the ceiling wont matter a Jot.
I am not saying the room is good and neither is Amir. I am saying that I like the idea of a wood ceiling. I am also saying that adjusting wood slats over windows can affect the sonics of the room and what you hear from the listening seat. It does in my room, so I simply asked Amir if he has experimented with that. I disagree that it is utter nonsense, but I appreciate you responding to my question.
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I don't see how you can separate speaker positioning from room acoustics.
You say room shape/speaker interaction is far more complex than lowering RT. Yet the speaker/room interaction is not just about shape but acoustics of the room, which is also dependent on RT.
Alrainbow, could you please reiterate your question? I’ve gone back the last few pages to see if I could find it but had no luck.
For those who believe that streaming is inferior to other sources, I recommend that you schedule a demo at Paragon Sight and Sound in Ann Arbor.
If you walk out of there still a skeptic after hearing what streaming can sound like in either of their demo rooms on the right side of the store, I’ll be surprised. Paragon is where my own mind was changed.
Granted, you’re going to have to part with serious bucks to duplicate their demos, but I’m pretty close at this point, and my wife hasn’t left me. Matt is probably the guy to ask for.
If you walk out of there still a skeptic after hearing what streaming can sound like in either of their demo rooms on the right side of the store, I’ll be surprised. Paragon is where my own mind was changed.
Granted, you’re going to have to part with serious bucks to duplicate their demos, but I’m pretty close at this point, and my wife hasn’t left me. Matt is probably the guy to ask for.
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I have since long maintained that you can get streaming right if you are putting a lot of effort and/or money into it ("serious bucks", per your phrasing). At the same it's also obvious that streaming is not easy to get right, and not easily superior to disc playback.
BTW, love Ann Arbor. Lived there for almost two years.
I have compared numerous times the same tracks streaming from Qobuz and (downloaded and) played locally and never found a difference! Of course, my system may not be resolving enough, or I may be deaf! There are many albums, however, for which the Qobuz release is inferior to the CD version I own, but that's an entirely different issue.
Some will go so far as to claim that Qobuz sounds better in one country than another. I'd like to know how they carry out the A/B test
IMO with the right Transport, red book still sounds better than most streaming. Not by much, but still better.
Stay tuned in the coming months for our streaming shootout between Taiko Audio Extreme, Aurender NA30SA, and Grimm MU1. I’m excited about the outcome!
Stay tuned in the coming months for our streaming shootout between Taiko Audio Extreme, Aurender NA30SA, and Grimm MU1. I’m excited about the outcome!
IMO it can be easily expected. Analog carries more distortion and noise than digital, that is able to supply more information. Any deviation from optimum conditions is digital can result in too much detail enhancement that will sound artificial and an unbalanced sound.
And we should not forget that audiophiles educate themselves for preference. Tens of years listening to vinyl can't be erased - some people in this forum told us they prefer vinyl to standard tape.
There’s a few albums that come to mind, such as Sade “Love Deluxe,“ Carpenter’s Gold,” and Dan Francisco, “He’s Alive.” I listen to these on Tidal which IMO sound better than the Qobuz versions.
To be candid I did not compare streaming directly to CD. Because to me it is not even close enough to warrant a shoot out.
IM<O. YMMV.
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