More Consensus That Streaming Is An Inferior Format & Not High End?

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IMO it can be easily expected. Analog carries more distortion and noise than digital, that is able to supply more information. Any deviation from optimum conditions is digital can result in too much detail enhancement that will sound artificial and an unbalanced sound.
No I disagree , It does not relate to distortion.

If you listen to different digital cables (between transport and DAC) you will see in digital playback it is harder to achieve good results.
Change the analog interconnect cable between dac and pre then change the digital cable between transport and dac. Digital is more complex than analog .

Mike Comment is right and getting good sound from complex systems is more difficult
 
No I disagree , It does not relate to distortion.

If you listen to different digital cables (between transport and DAC) you will see in digital playback it is harder to achieve good results.
Change the analog interconnect cable between dac and pre then change the digital cable between transport and dac. Digital is more complex than analog .

Mike Comment is right and getting good sound from complex systems is more difficult

Analog is complex too. Separate phono stage, table vs arm vs cartridge. Setting up all this properly. And so on.

I don't see how that is less complex than CD transport > reclocker > DAC.

Of course, some streaming configurations are vastly more complex than that.
 
Analog is complex too. Separate phono stage, table vs arm vs cartridge. Setting up all this properly. And so on.

I don't see how that is less complex than CD transport > reclocker > DAC.

Of course, some streaming configurations are vastly more complex than that.
Audiophiles can make anything more complex than it needs to be… it is our gift :eek:
 
My peak experience of the last few weeks hasn’t come out of an experience of gear but out of the journey through music. The format of the gear has made it more possible because of music accessibility.

I’ve been going through performances of the Brahms piano concertos and in the process have learnt so much about Brahms, about a whole range of pianists and conductors, about why and what it is I love about the piano and orchestra and why certain composers and certain music resonates through me… having a system that makes accessing dozens of performances viable is simply what has made fantastic moments of growth and understanding possible for me. I absolutely love gear and have spent 5 decades obsessively learning about it but in the end it’s all about the quality of the music library for me.

I would love to have it all, the General’s and Larry’s vinyl libraries and a Vyger with a couple of cart arm combos and then simply just the rest of what I have already… now that I have the kind of access I have to music all the rest of the journey with the gear falls into a personal perspective… for me it’s a luxe way to connect to music in the best way that’s possible for me within both my life phase and my life circumstances.

It’s become a realisation and an appreciation that the whacked way we do this ultimately is about uncovering the pearl at the centre of all the passion. That may be in different parts for each of us… the music, the sound or the gear… all interconnected parts that make possible accessing the great wholeness of this experience I figure.
 
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Audiophiles can make anything more complex than it needs to be… it is our gift :eek:

And if systems and components aren’t enough, there is always the language. Like Liam Neeson said, I have a set of skills. I will find you, and complicate you
 
And if systems and components aren’t enough, there is always the language. Like Liam Neeson said, I have a set of skills. I will find you, and complicate you
I’m totally having gestalt-fest this week… :eek:
 
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I’ve been going through performances of the Brahms piano concertos and in the process have learnt so much about Brahms, about a whole range of pianists and conductors, about why and what it is I love about the piano and orchestra and why certain composers and certain music resonates through me… having a system that makes accessing dozens of performances viable is simply what has made fantastic moments of growth and understanding possible for me.

So why don't you start a thread and tell us what you learned?
 
So why don't you start a thread and tell us what you learned?

he is a streamer. They are not allowed to start threads. Only post at the bottom of threads
 
Streamers !!

I am reminded of Waterworld (vaguely) where a flotilla approaches the atoll and a guy on watch strarts screaming "smokers!"

Must be some skill to quote from one of the biggest flops of all time.
 
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To be candid I did not compare streaming directly to CD. Because to me it is not even close enough to warrant a shoot out.
IM<O. YMMV.

Your answer tells me you listened too little to good streaming or mainly to very well sounding but colored top CD transports.

I have owned the Mark Levinson ML30 , Forsell airbearing and Metronome's top CD players. Surely very different from top streaming, but with characteristic coloration.
 
No I disagree , It does not relate to distortion.

I gave facts (distortion and noise, not just distortion) , you want to give me magic ...

If you listen to different digital cables (between transport and DAC) you will see in digital playback it is harder to achieve good results.

It just shows that the effects of digital noise and jitter are significant in sound reproduction.

Change the analog interconnect cable between dac and pre then change the digital cable between transport and dac.

I did it many times. Even used the terrible Forsell copper tube pipe 75 ohm cable ...

Digital is more complex than analog .

Just your (and perhaps of some others, sure) opinion, thanks.

Mike Comment is right and getting good sound from complex systems is more difficult

You are changing the subject. But I would say it depends on systems and there is no such general rule. This is an hobby of exceptions.
 
focus can have its virtues
So why don't you start a thread and tell us what you learned?
I may yet… but my lack of focus and my endless need to edit my pass fail read/write function does make posting about the conceptual heavy stuff like classical music appreciation here in Audiophileland (the dry version of Waterworld) fairly exhausting o_O Lol… if I could draw a diagram it might be easier maybe… or going click if you like YouTube for videos :eek: … omg no… that space is already overrun with audiophiles…
 
he is a streamer. They are not allowed to start threads. Only post at the bottom of threads
Still laughing… cracked me up :D
 
Your answer tells me you listened too little to good streaming or mainly to very well sounding but colored top CD transports.

I have owned the Mark Levinson ML30 , Forsell airbearing and Metronome's top CD players. Surely very different from top streaming, but with characteristic coloration.
I listen to good streaming daily.
i have listened to a lot of top-notch CD players. I never owned any expensive cd players because I always regarded CD as accessory.
I intend no offense to CD lovers. You don't need my approval to enjoy your CD.
Edit: I did briefly own the Accuphase Dp=65.
 
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