More than 15,000 scientists from 184 countries issue 'warning to humanity'
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How’s this going to work when AOC says mankind only has 12 years left to fix this (and Bernie and Tom say 8-9 years)?
I had no idea there is so much hate out there. Let's stop blaming others and start respecting those with opposing views. Can we listen to each other without insults? WBF is not a college campus where one side shouts out the opposing points of view and starts to riot. Come on now!
Who cares what politicians say? I care about what scientists say. And yes, they say we have just a few years to fix this.
This is not about "my tribe vs your tribe". We and especially our children will all be deeply affected by this, regardless if at this point we deny it or not. We are all on this planet together, and unfortunately there is no planet B.
Wow, now down to only a few years. How do you expect a planet of billions of people to change their habits in only a few years?
Well, 'few' referred to your numbers.
I don't. But future generations who will have to live with that catastrophe will ask themselves how we could be so stupid and such moral failures to let this happen. They will not care about our political tribalisms, they will think very badly of us. And who will blame them?
Let’s be honest here. We’re on a forum dedicated to the ultra high end playback of music. Talk about one of the most frivolous things imaginable as the world is ending. For anyone on here commenting about the end of mankind as they’re burning fossil fuels to listen to their music is pretty ridiculous (even better when vendors build gear to sell!). If I thought the world was ending I’d be doing everything possible not to add to the problem.
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Here in New South Wales there are currently over a million hectares of land on fire and it’s not even the worst of the current weather conditions yet. We have had months again way beyond seasonal levels of bush fire and the ocean and the beach yesterday were just full of black ash after the biggest continuous bushfire that I’ve seen in my life. The skies are at times quite yellow, the sun has often been a dark pink at the close of the day, a few days lately it’s been quite dark even in the mid afternoon just because of the smoke and ash.
The United Nations IPCC projections on impacts at various increased global temperatures identified even back a decade ago that even with just less than a degree C rise in global mean sea and surface temperature that increased extreme fire risk was projected. For years we have discussed the implications that changing climate could have in my work as part of landscape design training but when you start living it it’s much more immediate and profound. They stop just being ideas and words and come to life and start being experiences and reality and the level of impact to life in this new phase of the world and what it might actually be like brings reality to focus. All the implications start to surface. Poor land management and now increased bushfires have huge environmental impacts creating a bio feedback issue by then releasing sudden massive amounts of additional CO2.
With wildfires becoming more common even in Northern Europe even planned reforestation strategies as a way of now sequesting carbon like the massive reforestation of Siberia may not even be a good strategy until we can get the climate back into a safer less forest fire prone model from its current state of human modified behaviour and back down to within the normal parameters of peak atmospheric CO2 concentrations being (while naturally variable) always somewhere less than the 300ppm peaks that it has had over the last few hundred thousand years.
We are currently well over a third higher CO2 in the atmosphere than any measure in over 800,000 years and unfortunately on track to overshoot this and force greenhouse concentrations and heat impacts some ways further.
The recent discovery of increasing oxygen depletion and potential dead zones in great parts of the worlds oceans (due to sea temperature rise) is a whole new impact that has come to surface lately in scientific data and ocean oxygen depletion especially endangers the larger fish species (sharks, tuna etc) and is a separate additional threat to the threats of pollution and ocean acidification that already project increased potential for widespread species loss in the marine life throughout our oceans.
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i can feel your pain and angst by the nature and gravity of your post.
Stay safe. I’ve lived through many fire seasons here in SoCal but none of the severity that is ravishing Australia
Thanks Steve, it’s getting to a different level of reality when the state’s fire services admit that they can’t really manage these wild fires and people do need to determine for themselves whether to stay with their homes or evacuate. Where we are is not even the worst of it by a long shot as the impacts of long term fire become obvious. People in many areas often unable to get to work, schools needing to be closed at times, environmental damage, the loss of life and homes as well as wild life from the fires... as the typical fire season extends the traditional short term impacts of these events turn into a much longer term attrition. Impacts on resilience in the system become more of a challenge. That’s socially, environmentally and economically more challenged, its across the board.
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Not that simple Peter. When those with opposing views ie the left are determined to take your money and your rights away then control your healthcare, food supply, education, religion, freedom of speech, how you live your life, nationality and don't even accept your right to vote for who want nor the democratic processes if they lose there's nothing to respect and climate change agenda is another way to control you through legislature. There's absolutely nothing to discuss when one side want to steal your life nor will we ever come together with that mindset, we can either live together or we don't depends on how far they want to push to run our lives. While this isn't a college campus a forum is where people congregate so such discussions are only natural.
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I'm not concerned about people making money, living wealthy.
I'm concerned about people making it alive, living healthy,
Climate change is not about Greta or Gore, it's about you and me, all of us.
Put our money into real actions, fly free, fly solar energy propelled propeller.
Drive free, drive no roof the wind in your face and hair, electric battery powered.
Put the roof on when it's hazy, air polluted, snowing, raining, freezing cold, hot air burning from Australian bush fires.
I don't need Greta, I don't need Gore, I don't need anyone to do what's right for me and what I believe in. It's my money, I work my butts off to earn it, I spend it clean free and play healthy the hardcore way. The rest...gas, oil, pollution, plastics, toxic wastes, nuclear plutonium, control of the Internet, 1984 George Orwell ... it's all cheap whiskey.
I put my money where my mouth is...in a better environment for a better world for our children's children ... I don't need any Greta or Gore to lead me where they're already, blinded behind a harsh reality that they cannot control. It's the people who have the power, not Greta, not Gore, but the voters with their own money, and the money from nobody else, zero money from nobody else.
See, we just need to see clear by removing all that polluted haze in front of us, by removing the pollutants, the polluters, the polluter's supporters, the charlatans, the corrupted, the moneymakers ego, the selfish crooks, the killers of our planet. Create jobs where it counts the most...bridges for electric transportation of goods and clean food and water where supply is scarce.
Greta and Gore we don't need them, we're old enough to see where we're going and make the right choice when it's time to spend our own money and vote with our own money. We don't tell anyone how to live, they'll catch up on their own when they're dead from cancer and under a fake mountain of bloody cash. They are expandable, we're not.
Recently I've watched the skies over Australia, the people fighting on the ground, other countries flying over to help and sacrificing their Christmas holidays with their kids, firefighters from my own country, ...that, is reality.
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