Based on your current picture, window is side wall. Front wall is the wall between the speakers facing listener in centre seat
Moving away from box speakers: Diesis Audio vs Avantgarde Acoustic?
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Based on your current picture, window is side wall. Front wall is the wall between the speakers facing listener in centre seat
Uno SD G3 would work here but so would the Odeon Helix and Horning Aristotle Ellipse. With those speakers you can use moderate powered tube amps. I would not use Itron for Uno as it sounds really a lot better with a good SET for the mid and high horns.
Diesis is great sounding but I think you need more space in the room than you have based on the photos. The smaller Aura would fit better but again bass will be an issue being open baffle without sufficient space behind them.
No wall between the speakers to the wall behind the listener. I am just trying to gauge the distance to see what speakers can fit pulled in from the wall
Sell your system and move to a bigger flat, then consider other speakers
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Heretical on this forum, but the Kii3’s have terrific performance in a small form factor, and, were designed from the ground up to mitigate room and placement issues.
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Based on the picture of your room, I don't see any issues getting the Uno SD to work perfectly. As was mentioned earlier, the directivity of horns makes the room much less of a problem. One of the huge advantages the Uno SD offers over the other choices is that the bass is active. This means that you can make it work in tight spaces. You have volume control that allows a range of -12.0 to +12.0 dB in 0.5 dB increments. You also have DSP available to use. As someone mentioned, AG developed a new interface for the DSP that makes it very simple to use. Of cousre the full blown DSP interface is in the background and your dealer should be able to help you with that if needed. If not then I can help you via e-mail or phone.
There are really two decisions: what color do you want and how do you want to power them. You can go fully active with the iTron amp which is a 2 channel, 3 Watt per channel, fully class A, no negative feedback, current amplifier. In this instance you simply run a pair of XLR over from your preamp and each speaker has two power cords. OR you can choose the tube amp that produces sound that you like.
Call you Avantgarde dealer and ask for a demo. I don't know which country you are in but Europe has many dealers.
There are really two decisions: what color do you want and how do you want to power them. You can go fully active with the iTron amp which is a 2 channel, 3 Watt per channel, fully class A, no negative feedback, current amplifier. In this instance you simply run a pair of XLR over from your preamp and each speaker has two power cords. OR you can choose the tube amp that produces sound that you like.
Call you Avantgarde dealer and ask for a demo. I don't know which country you are in but Europe has many dealers.
The back wall behind the listening position can cause issues with low frequencies, regardless of the loudspeakers used.
Yes, although, like the Dutch & Dutch speakers, the Kii relies entirely on its DSP abilities.Heretical on this forum, but the Kii3’s have terrific performance in a small form factor, and, were designed from the ground up to mitigate room and placement issues.
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Thus (if you look at it logically) the nice accurate Signal, that your costly amp was bought to deliver, is Processed (the S and P in DSP) and messed with according to what the measuring microphone says. The accuracy of the amplifier or in fact the speakers (if they were accurate without DSP) is irrelevant and ignored by DSP.
I'm far from convinced that DSP is a better route than getting an accurate system and doing a little physical work to get the room's perceived difficulties dealt with to an acceptable degree.
From the picture the OP is sitting very close to the back wall. Maybe 30-50cm. There are two issues. One is the null caused by SBIR. However, he is sitting so close that this is not going to be in the bass region (maybe 300Hz or so). This could be fixed by adding a panel to the wall behind the head. The other, and likely bigger issue, is that sitting so close to the wall will produce big bass peaks due to the room modes. However, this is where the Duo SD sets itself apart from the others. The OP could use the built in DSP function to pull the peaks down to make a flat bass response.
Don't get me wrong. I am not advocating tons and tons of DSP. I view it as a tool just like anything else. Typically, just one or two filters are normally sufficient to make a very good listening experience.
Don't get me wrong. I am not advocating tons and tons of DSP. I view it as a tool just like anything else. Typically, just one or two filters are normally sufficient to make a very good listening experience.
IME horns, while more directional than cones aren't any more directional than panels. In fact, horn drivers need more distance to integrate well at the listening spot, and your room is of modest proportions (like most of us). As such, (not to mention I haven't heard a single pair of horns that integrated well and never sound natural to me) I'd recommend the Clarisys Minuet. I know folks who've heard them and rave about the natural tonality and uncommonly incredible dynamics. Good luck in your pursuit and enjoy!
I think the Diesis is a good choice, the Caput Mundi has 12” “woofers” and while you won’t get the same visceral punch as the Wilsons, and maybe not go quite as deep, absent the typical bump @ around 70 hz of the Wilson’s, you’ll get more tuneful, natural sounding bass. Giuseppe is a real artist and I think his speakers get to the beauty in the music much better than many. I think the smaller models you may not get bass near what you’re used to with your Wilsons.
And yes, Diesis speakers setup easier than most. They are not recommended to be toed-in more than 20 degrees, so almost straight forward.
And yes, Diesis speakers setup easier than most. They are not recommended to be toed-in more than 20 degrees, so almost straight forward.
The back wall is uneven and is further away behind the right speaker compared to behind the left speaker, please see the attached picture. Front to back where the left speaker is 4.8 meters, right speaker - 5.3 meters.
Is there a minimum recommended distance from the listening position and to the front wall for the Caput Mundi?
Clarisys are sorting their game out.
Minuet is close to a pair of good spec refurbished Duettas.
I would put Piccolo in there. Or Minuet. Piccolo because of the metal frame construction is more dynamic and quite frankly astonishing for the size. Minuet is more chilled but inevitably larger scale in sound. Pushed in that room for a choice, I would go Piccolo if you don't appreciate scale over a more dynamic sound.
That said, I have no idea of their prices.
I heard Minuet and Piccolo in the same room last year.
These planar magnetic options really seriously change depending how far you are away from them.
In my room, sitting 12 foot away from my Apogees is super high performance mess your head up with amazingness type of experience. But at 24 foot in a 35 foot long room everything homogenises to form a much more easy going sound that instead of everything sounding excellently delineated, gels far more into an easy going, easy to live with pleasure.
Don't listen to Ked. He lacks experience and is a bit deaf
As a former Apogee and many other planar speaker owner in the past I simply don’t think the room is right for planars because you really need at least a meter from the wall behind the speakers….same problem with Diesis, which I love the sound of (would probably own a pair if I could place them correctly). As such, I own Horning which want to be close to a corner, which works great in my room.Clarisys are sorting their game out.
Minuet is close to a pair of good spec refurbished Duettas.
I would put Piccolo in there. Or Minuet. Piccolo because of the metal frame construction is more dynamic and quite frankly astonishing for the size. Minuet is more chilled but inevitably larger scale in sound. Pushed in that room for a choice, I would go Piccolo if you don't appreciate scale over a more dynamic sound.
That said, I have no idea of their prices.
I heard Minuet and Piccolo in the same room last year.
These planar magnetic options really seriously change depending how far you are away from them.
In my room, sitting 12 foot away from my Apogees is super high performance mess your head up with amazingness type of experience. But at 24 foot in a 35 foot long room everything homogenises to form a much more easy going sound that instead of everything sounding excellently delineated, gels far more into an easy going, easy to live with pleasure.
Don't listen to Ked. He lacks experience and is a bit deaf
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