For vintage Japanese DD, the Denon DP100 would be my pick!
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Only 100 pieces outthere, equal denon dp 100 or onkyo px 100m both one the best direct drives diffcult to find. It only becomes difficult when you need replace control or controller parts, which are usually no longer available.
Px 100m Wow and flutter: ± 0.005% WRMS
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Ahhh Yes , The Achilles heal of a number of these Japanese DD Super Decks .
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I think there are more than 100 DP100 produced, probably close to 250 units, at least according to the Vintage Knob!
Whether it is hard to find depends on the timing; it was hard to find a few years ago, but my friends got both of the units in the photo from Japan within a 12 months period between 2023 and 2024. I have personally seen 4 units, 3 in Hong Kong and 1 in Malaysia, and auditioned 3 of them.
Actually, the models were called 100 because there were only 100 of them. But perhaps the demand was greater than expected and they cost like small cars at the time.
Agree, these have very nice motor and control systems and the Tonearm is a tech marvel with coreless motors to control tracing force.
and you have made two very good decisionsYes, you have good eyes
, congratulationsI'm missing something in picture, if you don't have it yet and are looking for a good mc sut for your carts. The old Technics beats most of today's high-priced stuff.
I have a suggestion- many people don't realize how important the platter pad is to the sound they get. If there is resonance in the vinyl it can talk back to the stylus, coloring the sound and obscuring detail. The platter pad's job is to damp both the LP and the platter itself. One of the best ones we've heard is the Oracle platter pad (scroll down) Its meant as a permanent application (has a peel-off back). Its way better than rubber, cork or leather- all of which are a joke. Obviously your AS2000 has considerably less resonance in the platter so this could be one of the variables in the sound you are hearing.
I am suggesting this as a tweak to the Denon.
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I did hear a Bardo once and had a friend's SP10 Mk3 in my old system for a while. Of course, there are too many variables to know, but my Denon now sounds better than either of those in the other systems sounded then. They actually did sound edgy to me and not natural. There is none of that with the Denon and the Ortofon cartridge in my system.
Yes, I am sure there are better Denons and other DD tables out there. Thinking about this and the other thread about young people getting into the hobby, I think a turntable like this would be a great way to start. This was my college turntable and cost $319 from Tweeter in Boston in 1980. It is about that now on Ebay. It held its value in absolute terms. Amazing. Digital is cheap too, but it sounds very different from this.
I just heard about another AS2000 installation in the US. The table is supplied with both a non stretch belt like the ones on TechDAS/Micro Seiki, and this thread. It was initially set up with the non stretch belt and the switch to the thread was immediately audible.
Bardo sounds edgy? Not in a million years. Sp3 can easily sound edgy. These have two completely different DD implementations. One is very low torque with a coreless, brushless motor with loose control and the other uses a high torque, iron core motor with a tight PLL control system.
The best modification I ever made was to remove the aluminum quick start platter on my TD 124. Then I used either Tizo Aycl Mat or Graphite Mat directly on the bright green plate. I can't describe how much better that sounds.
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P.S Second avantage thicker mat breaks magnetic influence from the platter.
Best to close your eyes and focus on what he is saying to get through his accent.. Watching is distracting because of all the hand waving and fluttering and cigar puffing. Romy can have interesting ideas but he is a poor communicator.
I made it halfway trough, now i need a break !
I prefer it to his writing, the cigar is a great comedic feature, what a character !
I made it halfway trough, now i need a break !
Break me too. If there was no sound I'd think he was Italian. Yes he is a character. I wish he was clearer. David understands him.
I think this started because I posted on his forum and thread about audio reviewers and specifically Michael Fremer and his latest video. I listed my equipment with a link to this thread.
David Karmeli introduced me to Romy and I visited him and heard his system after he made us a delicious lunch. Yes he is quite a character and he is passionate about the hobby. He seems very fond of Vitavox corner horns and the S2 compression driver in particular. He also likes micro Seiki turntables and used to like Lamm electronics. He goes way back with David and I think started reading my thread because he knows that David used to own my system and sold it to me.
I have not watched Romy’s video yet, but I’ll try to get to it today.
David Karmeli introduced me to Romy and I visited him and heard his system after he made us a delicious lunch. Yes he is quite a character and he is passionate about the hobby. He seems very fond of Vitavox corner horns and the S2 compression driver in particular. He also likes micro Seiki turntables and used to like Lamm electronics. He goes way back with David and I think started reading my thread because he knows that David used to own my system and sold it to me.
I have not watched Romy’s video yet, but I’ll try to get to it today.
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