Hubris is bad. For that I apologize.
Have you watched two or three of his videos? Please tell me which elements of my critique you think are inaccurate.
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Have you watched two or three of his videos? Please tell me which elements of my critique you think are inaccurate.
No, I do not. I am not "hoping" that he joins WBF, contrary to your assumption.
I just wanted Roman to know that he is welcome here. (In contrast, it appears that he has blocked the WBF YouTube account from his channel, because my inquiry about him calling me a "scumbag" even though he has never met me and I have had zero interaction or communication with him was deleted from his comment section. Unlike Roman, I don't believe in censorship.)
I know about Vladimir, and I have listened to the ML2 extensively. I think the ML2 is an amazing amplifier for an appropriate loudspeaker.
The only difference between you and I on the ML2 is that you think there is the ML2, and then there is every other 20 watt SET amplifier. Whereas I think there are other 20 watt amplifiers that are competitive sonically with the ML2, such as the Viva Aurora.
In my limited personal experience the ML2 and the Aurora are my two favorite SET amplifiers in the 20 watt range.
I read some of Roman's posts a couple of years ago when I think it was Amir who fawned over him. (Please forgive me, Amir, if I'm remembering this incorrectly.) At that time I found Roman's audio diktats to be dogmatic and inconsistent with my personal listening experiences.
I definitely think Roman's thoughts on audio are communicated more effectively in writing than over video. Is there anyone who has both watched his videos and read his posts who disagrees with this?
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You’re making this personal Ron, and your post is full of insults.
Here are the elements of your critique that I think are inaccurate: his videos are not useless and he certainly does have something to contribute based on those who find value in reading his posts and watching his videos. Have you read some of the comments in his videos? Some people clearly do not find them useless.
I don’t think the videos are incoherent. I can follow them and his argument, though I may not always agree. I find it curious that you are the judge to tell us that his videos are disrespectful to the viewer and a waste of his time. Should the viewer not make that determination for himself?
Ask yourself if Romy, or anyone, would join a forum where the owner describes him this way. In my opinion, you do not seem very welcoming and this approach will not attract him here to share his thoughts about Vladimir Lamm or the ML2 amplifier.
I'm sorry, but I'm not going to indulge a grown man by referring to him as a cat.
Thank you for explaining and detailing your thoughts. I appreciate it!
On my videos I spend literally hours deleting seconds and even milliseconds of "ummms" and "ahhhs" and pauses and tangential thoughts and false starts for answers and editing rambling answers into a singular, coherent answer, because I believe I try to have respect for the time of the people who watch my interviews. For this reason I have to admit that the Roman videos annoy me. This is what I meant regarding disrespect to the viewers.
As you know I spent a long time thoughtfully answering your question about what I thought of Roman's comments on his absolute sound versus natural sound versus expressivity video. I think I proved that he is using demonstrably wrong definitions, and that his own comments were inconsistent. See Post #6,226, above.
Hopkins seems to share many of my criticisms. Even TimA, a fan of Roman's, wrote here that he considers Roman to be a "poor communicator."
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What are you talking about? I am not telling you anything. As a "viewer" am I not entitled to my own subjective opinion?
Obviously; of course.
Well, how can he come here to post his thoughts about Vladimir and the ML2 without joining the forum?
Do you think Romy (or anyone whom you treat like that) would feel welcome here after that insulting post you wrote about his videos being useless and of little contribution, and that you think his videos are disrespective to the viewer? Really?
The ML2 is the 20 watt range SET that I own and think about because it is the only one I know. I do not think about any other 20 watt SET amplifier. I have not heard any of them, nor am I searching for an alternative to what I already have. I also bought a spare pair, as you know.
Then you are aware of where you can read his thoughts about Vladimir Lamm and his ML2 amplifiers. I do not think he will indulge you by sharing them here.
Different people have different sensitivities. You might've said the same thing about me after Roman said on his video that I am a "scumbag."
I wasn't insulted as much as I was genuinely puzzled, as Roman does not know me, and I have had no interaction or communication whatsoever with him, ever. Not even a smoke signal.
Instead of being offended I tried to post on his video (which was deleted) and I sent to him via e-mail (which was ignored) this polite letter:
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I watched about 10 minutes. It was a little rambling and late at night, so I turned it off. From there it was never a part of my conscious. To be fair, I don't spend much time watching videos. Let alone get worked up by them.
I thought it funny and odd you would berate someone, then say they should work on their written language and join your forum. I think Peter has summed up the reasons why Roman would not feel welcome by one owner and not want to contribute towards growing viewership on your forum.
I see you have some some past history with Roman and therefore, would dislike him as an individual. I understand why you'd be critical of him. Thats fine. There are plenty of people I don't like, and plenty of people that don't like me. I am happy with my good friends. And there are individuals out there I don't know well, but I respect them quite a bit.
For what it's worth, I have a few friends I would like to post on this form, but they don't want to be a part of it. At the same time, they're asking me to join other forms they contribute to, yet I'm not interested in being a part of those. We all settle into our place of comfort.
Please elaborate, as I have no past history with Roman.
I have never met him; I have never spoken with him; I have never had any form of communication with him; I have never had any interaction with him of any kind.
This is not how I work. I am told by friends that I am far less emotional and less susceptible of being "triggered" than most people.
I am perfectly able to have polite, respectful and productive discussion (and negotiation) with someone regardless of my personal feelings (assuming I even have any personal feelings about such person).
I'm criticizing his comments about high-end audio, and I am criticizing his chosen format -- video -- to communicate them.
I got through it and understood it and commented on his forum in a dedicated thread. I told him where I agreed and disagreed.
What I find refreshing is that he is a deep thinker about the hobby. That doesn’t necessarily mean I agree with everything he writes or says, but he does get me to occasionally think about certain topics in a new way, and that is interesting.
You don't have to be talking to somebody directly for them to see hard words posted about them.
Someone doesn't have to be posting directly to you for you for you to see unkind words, spoken about you.
Either way creates a history between people. Especially when it is bi-directional.
I also believe, precision words don't matter when it comes to conversation. Conversation isn't what you said. Conversation is what the other person's thinks they heard you say. If I were Roman and I read what Ron said in post 6350????. I most definitely wouldn't have anything to do with his forum.
Unfortunately, a lot of interesting members have left this forum. Ron being no specific person of interest. There's just a lot of unkind words passed back and forth by many members. All in the name of a fuse, or break in, or speaker setup, or SET. The list is endless. But it's all STUFF and its application that is the root of mean-spirited words. I have been at fault myself.
Someone doesn't have to be posting directly to you for you for you to see unkind words, spoken about you.
Either way creates a history between people. Especially when it is bi-directional.
I also believe, precision words don't matter when it comes to conversation. Conversation isn't what you said. Conversation is what the other person's thinks they heard you say. If I were Roman and I read what Ron said in post 6350????. I most definitely wouldn't have anything to do with his forum.
Unfortunately, a lot of interesting members have left this forum. Ron being no specific person of interest. There's just a lot of unkind words passed back and forth by many members. All in the name of a fuse, or break in, or speaker setup, or SET. The list is endless. But it's all STUFF and its application that is the root of mean-spirited words. I have been at fault myself.
You said there was past history between Roman and me. By past history I assume you mean history pre-dating a week ago -- pre-dating his video comment in question.
I ask you again to what past history between Roman and me are you referring?
Not sure I said I was a fan of Romy the Cat, although I do find him a poor communicator. He may have words of wisdom, but I cannot follow him on video and parse his accent at the same time. I'd rather read him than struggle through hearing him. His videos take away some/much of the mystique he had as an on-line character. I agree with Peter that Romy is thinking about audio concepts beyond the gear alone. I suppose one could say at least you get the real Romy versus a stylized edited persona trying to convince you of something.
I thought you tried to interact with him by calling him and sending him e-mail.
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