Negative show report posts... enough is enough.

[rockitman]

Where's the beef?

Hilarious commercial and well done cgi too.

 

[valkyrie]

Only one question; Who the hell is Peter Brueninger? I looked him up on the 'net and he was listed as some "financial adviser" in Pennsylvania. How did this guy - neither musician, nor engineer, nor recording expert - how did he become an "expert"? Is such no more than self-proclamation? Color me curious - about the entire "high end" were we seem to have a plethora of "experts" issuing pronouncements of all sorts endlessly. And these pronunciamentoes are offered with an absolute certainty reflective of good peer-reviewed science - instead of nothing more than an "OPINION".

Frankly if I go to a show and think some assemblage of equipment sounds poorly? Then I will post my opinions of that whenever and wherever I see fit. Called the First Amendment - to behave otherwise is rather a National Socialist approach. NO - no self-proclaimed experts are going to limit that right. Now good manners and human courtesy demand that I be civil and reflective in posting my opinions - and that I hold out the fact that perhaps I am mistaken - as ALL PEOPLE ARE IN REGARDS THEIR OPINIONS.

Jeez Louise guys - some people are taking this a little too seriously when they call others names ("cowards" - really?), decry negative opinions and insist that we all must sit together at the campfire and sing Kumbaya - sorry - that is not the way life exists.

Mr. Brueninger - get used to the fact that not everybody perceives you as some "expert" - other than perhaps yourself. I certainly don't. I read your post about MQA and you completely botched that perception - as in totally. If somebody thinks you are just another guy with an opinion - then fine - maybe you are, maybe you are not. Who cares?

Always remember that music generates tremendous passions - when Stravinsky debuted his "Le Sacre" fights broke out in the Paris Opera house and the gendarmes were called to crack some heads. Try to keep your passions more sane. We are not here to crack heads - but to practice toleration and courtesy.

 

[harleyguy]

Only one question; Who the hell is Peter Brueninger? I looked him up on the 'net and he was listed as some "financial adviser" in Pennsylvania. How did this guy - neither musician, nor engineer, nor recording expert - how did he become an "expert"? Is such no more than self-proclamation? Color me curious - about the entire "high end" were we seem to have a plethora of "experts" issuing pronouncements of all sorts endlessly. And these pronunciamentoes are offered with an absolute certainty reflective of good peer-reviewed science - instead of nothing more than an "OPINION".

Frankly if I go to a show and think some assemblage of equipment sounds poorly? Then I will post my opinions of that whenever and wherever I see fit. Called the First Amendment - to behave otherwise is rather a National Socialist approach. NO - no self-proclaimed experts are going to limit that right. Now good manners and human courtesy demand that I be civil and reflective in posting my opinions - and that I hold out the fact that perhaps I am mistaken - as ALL PEOPLE ARE IN REGARDS THEIR OPINIONS.

Jeez Louise guys - some people are taking this a little too seriously when they call others names ("cowards" - really?), decry negative opinions and insist that we all must sit together at the campfire and sing Kumbaya - sorry - that is not the way life exists.

Mr. Brueninger - get used to the fact that not everybody perceives you as some "expert" - other than perhaps yourself. I certainly don't. I read your post about MQA and you completely botched that perception - as in totally. If somebody thinks you are just another guy with an opinion - then fine - maybe you are, maybe you are not. Who cares?

Always remember that music generates tremendous passions - when Stravinsky debuted his "Le Sacre" fights broke out in the Paris Opera house and the gendarmes were called to crack some heads. Try to keep your passions more sane. We are not here to crack heads - but to practice toleration and courtesy.

how do you know that he is not a expert if you didn't know him.peter is a very good reviewer and has av showrooms which is great for high end audio

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

Only one question; Who the hell is Peter Brueninger? I looked him up on the 'net and he was listed as some "financial adviser" in Pennsylvania. How did this guy - neither musician, nor engineer, nor recording expert - how did he become an "expert"? Is such no more than self-proclamation? Color me curious - about the entire "high end" were we seem to have a plethora of "experts" issuing pronouncements of all sorts endlessly. And these pronunciamentoes are offered with an absolute certainty reflective of good peer-reviewed science - instead of nothing more than an "OPINION".

Frankly if I go to a show and think some assemblage of equipment sounds poorly? Then I will post my opinions of that whenever and wherever I see fit. Called the First Amendment - to behave otherwise is rather a National Socialist approach. NO - no self-proclaimed experts are going to limit that right. Now good manners and human courtesy demand that I be civil and reflective in posting my opinions - and that I hold out the fact that perhaps I am mistaken - as ALL PEOPLE ARE IN REGARDS THEIR OPINIONS.

Jeez Louise guys - some people are taking this a little too seriously when they call others names ("cowards" - really?), decry negative opinions and insist that we all must sit together at the campfire and sing Kumbaya - sorry - that is not the way life exists.

Mr. Brueninger - get used to the fact that not everybody perceives you as some "expert" - other than perhaps yourself. I certainly don't. I read your post about MQA and you completely botched that perception - as in totally. If somebody thinks you are just another guy with an opinion - then fine - maybe you are, maybe you are not. Who cares?

Always remember that music generates tremendous passions - when Stravinsky debuted his "Le Sacre" fights broke out in the Paris Opera house and the gendarmes were called to crack some heads. Try to keep your passions more sane. We are not here to crack heads - but to practice toleration and courtesy.

Many of us agree, but we've moved on to ice cream.

Tim

 

[ack]

When it comes to transparent cows, New Zealand cows are the most transparent:

People don't know this, but transparent cows are everywhere; you just don't see them

 

[amirm]

This thread and the OP are also being discussed on another forum. Someone provided a link to our thread. The discussion is pretty lively and has, for the most part, stayed on topic. Here are a couple of posts that make similar observations to some of the comments in this thread:

I just finished reading the whole thread on the other forum...it's a long one!
What struck me as so very interesting, is why only a few posters seem to have asked Peter Breuninger as to why he was so upset about the post by the guy who attended the show at Newport and stated his opinion ( which I think he made very clear was his opinion).
I also noted that the attack on the poor guy was by the manufacturer of the speaker that was mentioned in the guy's post. Seemed very strange to me that as soon as that was completed, Peter Breuninger decides to post his OP in his new thread! Also, it seems so odd to me that another Evolution Acoustics user and Dartzeel user decides to post in favor of Peter and therefore the manufacturer. Makes one wonder what is going on here.
I guess the show goer had no right to post his opinion on a public forum, unless he was going to post a favorable opinion of the room that he heard. I do see how he could be held to task for only visiting the room for a short period. I can understand that this would not give anyone a real perspective of the sound in the room. On the other hand, I re-read his post and he clearly states that he had heard the speakers before, on several occasions. I did not see anywhere in his post that the objection was to the sound of the room, or for that matter to the sound of the ancillary gear....just the speakers. Now, I would expect if the speakers have a signature sound, that would be easily and quickly identifiable.
A sound which I suppose the poor guy doesn't enjoy. Question is, does he have that prerogative??
According to Peter Breuninger, the manufacturer of the speaker and others...absolutely not!

And another one:

I think that's a very good point, (name deleted). The more I think about what I read over there, the more I agree with you.
The whole thread smells of something wrong. I cannot believe that a semi-public figure, like Peter Breuninger, would fail to see the damage that he has done to himself and to the manufacturer who he is supposedly defending. I guess when you are so tied up in your own importance and belief system, plus you have others with their own agendas who are supporting you,it becomes easy to believe you are: "the Bugatti of audiophiles"!!

You do know you have created a tear in the space-time continuum, yes? Folks there are reading this thread. They get to this part of our thread, where we are referencing their thread. They go back to their thread, only to be quoted more of our thread. They are forever stuck in a time-warp (or better said, forum warp) with no way to get out.

Maybe like the movie Groundhog Day, they have to perform lots of acts of kindness to get out of the loop:

 

[JackD201]

The Bash Fluoride Ice cream Loop

 

[TheMadMilkman]

It would seem that valkyrie read the OP and jumped in without reading the rest of the thread. It's actually been very informative, thanks to other posters.

Btw, if you want the best frozen dairy product in the world, there's a place just off of Via Abraham Lincoln in Palermo, Italy. Get the stracciatella (chocolate chip) on the brioche. You can thank me later.

And since you're in the area, make the trip across Sicily and find La Pizzeria al Nord Est in Gravina di Catania. I'll take his over any pizza from Naples.

 

[bonzo75]

I am in Bologna and possibly Florence with my GF in July. Any food or icecreams there to recommend, if it's good she will let me take the next week off for a hifi tour

 

[FrantzM]

The Original Post is best to remain forgotten. It was a brain fart. The kind of act that humans commit and cannot possibly defend sincerely or be proud of. Athough they may try to appear to keep a proud face to it. let's push it into irrelevance and oblivion.

Let thus embrace entirely the new direction taken by the thread , that of great Ice Cream which is one of those desserts that seems to summon a consensus among most individuals be they Gold or Tin-eared, It seems to transcend the Analog vs Digital chasm or the SS/ tube one. We all love Ice Cream. So keep these coming ..

On that I have taken to make Ice Cream with my Vitamix Blender. I like Raw Food (Eat raw quite a bit)... Back to the Vitamix-made Ice Cream. In my case when I try to make a Strawberry Ice Cream (in fact any ice cream) , I use Frozen Stawberries and Real Cream, the texture is all wrong and it never taste as good as what is IMO the best Strawberry Ice Cream, the standard bearer: Haagen Dazs Strawberry. Any pointer? Trick of the trade? For a great Vitamix-made Ice Cream?
Wouldn't mind other recipes for home-made Ice Cream. I have an Ice Cream churner , a Cusinart. You freeze the bowl and proceed to make small batches of Ice Cream. It does an OK job but I am thinking about a real Ice Cream churner .. Which model/brand is best? Which real one do your recommend?

 

[bonzo75]

The Original Post is best to remainforgotten. it was a brain fart.

I guess some people mistakenly let go a fart. But it is another thing to keep farting in someone's face. At some point the farter needs to leave the room, take a dump, and clean up.

Else the thread can turn like this http://ratemypoo.com

 

[FrantzM]

I guess some people mistakenly let go a fart. But it is another thing to keep farting in someone's face. At some point the farter needs to leave the room, take a dump, and clean up.

Else the thread can turn like this http://ratemypoo.com

I must say I agree with your assessment.

 

[GaryProtein]

. . . .

On that I have taken to make Ice Cream with my Vitamix Blender. I like Raw Food (Eat raw quite a bit)... Back to the Vitamix-made Ice Cream. In my case when I try to make a Strawberry Ice Cream (in fact any ice cream) , I use Frozen Stawberries and Real Cream, the texture is all wrong and it never taste as good as what is IMO the best Strawberry Ice, the standard bearer: Haagen Dazs Strawberry. Any pointer? Trick of the trade? For agreat Vitamix-made Ice Cream
Wouldn't mind other recipes for home made Ice Cream. I have an Ice Cream churner , a Cusinart. You freeze the bowl and proceed to make small batches of Ice Cream. It does an OK job but I am thinking about a real Ice Cream churner .. Which model/brand is best? Which real one do your recommend?

I never made ice cream in my Vita-Mix, but I bet if you look at the Vita-Mix recipe for strawberry ice cream and compare it to the Cuisinart recipe or the Haagen Dazs ingredients, the Vita-Mix (healthier recipe) is most likely missing an important ingredient found in the others --- SUGAR!

Regarding the texture, good ice cream is frozen very quickly so the crystals formed are small. The slower ice cream freezes, the larger the crystals are and the less smooth and creamy the ice cream becomes.

 

[cpp]

The Original Post is best to remain forgotten. it was a brain fart. The kind of act that humans commit and cannot possibly defend sincerely or be proudof. Athough they may try to apear sto do so. It is best be pushed to the bin of irrelevance and perhaps oblivion.

Let thus embrace entirely the new direction taken by the thread , that of great Ice Cream which is one of those kid of desserts that seems to summon a consensus among most individuals be they Gold or Tin-eared. or listen exclusively to anlaog or to digital.. It seems to transcend the Analog Digital chasm or the SS tube one. We all love Ice Cream. So keep these coming ..

On that I have taken to make Ice Cream with my Vitamix Blender. I like Raw Food (Eat raw quite a bit)... Back to the Vitamix-made Ice Cream. In my case when I try to make a Strawberry Ice Cream (in fact any ice cream) , I use Frozen Stawberries and Real Cream, the texture is all wrong and it never taste as good as what is IMO the best Strawberry Ice, the standard bearer: Haagen Dazs Strawberry. Any pointer? Trick of the trade? For agreat Vitamix-made Ice Cream
Wouldn't mind other recipes for home made Ice Cream. I have an Ice Cream churner , a Cusinart. You freeze the bowl and proceed to make small batches of Ice Cream. It does an OK job but I am thinking about a real Ice Cream churner .. Which model/brand is best? Which real one do your recommend?

We do enjoy the Cuisinart and the Lello Musso Pola 5030

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

There is one controversy in the ice cream branch of this thread. Shakes have been dissed. And shakes are one of the best ways of consuming ice cream. Unfortunately they are misunderstood and often ill-conceived, made so thick that they are little more than whipped ice cream. They need to be thin enough for drinking, even drawing through a straw, with perhaps a bit more syrup to add back the flavor lost to the extra milk. Then they're creamy, semi-liquid goodness is impossible to deny. Unless you're in denial. This is not subjective, by the way. The deliciousness of the shake well done has been documented in multiple DBTs.

Tim

 

[TheMadMilkman]

There is one controversy in the ice cream branch of this thread. Shakes have been dissed. And shakes are one of the best ways of consuming ice cream. Unfortunately they are misunderstood and often ill-conceived, made so thick that they are little more than whipped ice cream. They need to be thin enough for drinking, even drawing through a straw, with perhaps a bit more syrup to add back the flavor lost to the extra milk. Then they're creamy, semi-liquid goodness is impossible to deny. Unless you're in denial. This is not subjective, by the way. The deliciousness of the shake well done has been documented in multiple DBTs.

Tim

This is an excellent post. I'm tired of "soft ice cream with candy mixed in" being considered a milkshake.

 

[Johnny Vinyl]

A plain cone with soft ice cream and a chocolate dip is still my favourite!

 

[Ron Resnick]

Ice cream is my favorite food. (I am not exaggerating or kidding.) Ben & Jerry's is not particularly high quality ice cream, but I love their Karamel Sutra!

 

[garylkoh]

On that I have taken to make Ice Cream with my Vitamix Blender. I like Raw Food (Eat raw quite a bit)... Back to the Vitamix-made Ice Cream. In my case when I try to make a Strawberry Ice Cream (in fact any ice cream) , I use Frozen Stawberries and Real Cream, the texture is all wrong and it never taste as good as what is IMO the best Strawberry Ice Cream, the standard bearer: Haagen Dazs Strawberry. Any pointer? Trick of the trade? For a great Vitamix-made Ice Cream?

IMHO the secret to making great ice cream is the egg-yolk custard. This has to be heated up very slowly and stirred constantly using a bamboo spoon in a copper-clad pot. The custard starts to set around 150 deg (65 deg C). You get different texture with the temperature. Do not exceed 170 deg (80 deg C) as it goes grainy. At those temperatures, I am not sure if you would consider that Raw Food. To get strawberry ice cream to taste more like strawberry, I put a couple of drops of balsamic vinegar in.

I think I'll make some blueberry ice cream this weekend as fresh berries are in season.......

 

[FrantzM]

IMHO the secret to making great ice cream is the egg-yolk custard. This has to be heated up very slowly and stirred constantly using a bamboo spoon in a copper-clad pot. The custard starts to set around 150 deg (65 deg C). You get different texture with the temperature. Do not exceed 170 deg (80 deg C) as it goes grainy. At those temperatures, I am not sure if you would consider that Raw Food. To get strawberry ice cream to taste more like strawberry, I put a couple of drops of balsamic vinegar in.

I think I'll make some blueberry ice cream this weekend as fresh berries are in season.......

Gary

Full Recipe Please you have my mouth watering aready !!! I would substitute Stevia to Sugar, is the sugar a necessary ingredient?