New Dedicated Listening Room

[Kingrex]

It was late. I did not want to commit to anytiing so I put some 7.5 ips tapes on. I was surprosed the derail and how well instruments like drums came through. I played the small real of Messiah and Carol K Tapestry. Usually Tapestry sounds like crap. The recording. This time it was pretty good. I'm struggling to set up the room. I want the gear further back. But my good interconnects are only 10 feet max.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Best of luck on setting everything up to your satisfaction, Rex!

 

[pjwd]

It was late. I did not want to commit to anytiing so I put some 7.5 ips tapes on. I was surprosed the derail and how well instruments like drums came through. I played the small real of Messiah and Carol K Tapestry. Usually Tapestry sounds like crap. The recording. This time it was pretty good. I'm struggling to set up the room. I want the gear further back. But my good interconnects are only 10 feet max.

Exciting !
If your amps are staying at low level I think it works pretty well to put your gear in line with the baffles .. the dipole cancellation is greatest at thuis point so it's the calm spot ...in theory of course .. you are no longer constrained by cable length as to where you put the speakers

 

[Kingrex]

I have new chokes in. I think they are much better than the old one. Its playing very clean. At least in a fairly close field play.

I found a pipe with 12 awg wire in it. I powered my Torus RM20 from it. I have ok power to the rack now.

I think I need some 20 foot or so single ended interconnect. I want the rack to the side. And all the tapes and vinyl. They are such space hogs. There is a recession in the wall to the side. But it gets hot from the roof heat. The whole room gets warm. I want AC up there for summer.

 

[John T]

I have new chokes in. I think they are much better than the old one. Its playing very clean. At least in a fairly close field play.

I found a pipe with 12 awg wire in it. I powered my Torus RM20 from it. I have ok power to the rack now.

I think I need some 20 foot or so single ended interconnect. I want the rack to the side. And all the tapes and vinyl. They are such space hogs. There is a recession in the wall to the side. But it gets hot from the roof heat. The whole room gets warm. I want AC up there for summer.

Man you have a lot going on! From what I have gathered about you, no doubt you will incrementally get it done...

 

[Kingrex]

I do. I have 3 panel orders. I have 20 feet of commercial shelving on order to get my shop space in place. Then I need to work. Been fixing doors, windows and lights in the new space. Went to a concert last night. About 150 yards from my house. One of thr best venue I have been in. Around 350 seats.

 

[Kingrex]

This is the room with some rough dimensions.

 

[DoctorWhy]

I was told, this is the sub I should get.

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You may want to talk to J.R. at Wally Analog about a distributed bass array. It really cleaned up the bass nodes from my Wilson XLF-room interactions, and improved low bass.

 

[Kingrex]

I talk to JR often. We meet doing shows. He laid me out with a sub box manufacturer, amps to purchase and a pro grade crossover to purchase that be likes to work with. I will do a swarm if I do anything. At the moment, Im trying to acclimate to the room. What am I working with.

Want to hear something embarrassing. Setting up my system I discovered I had 1 of the 4 woofers out of phase to the other 3. Played them like that for about 4 months. They are all correct now. I still have clean crisp bass. But I lack body and umph. Listened to Wilson/CH Precision yesterday. My wife likes it better than what I built. She still harkens back to the Boulder 2160 and Kharma we heard in San Francisco. I need a living room system. Maybe an Ayre amp and a Kharma with the single woofer and tweeter.

 

[DoctorWhy]

I had no TV for 2 weeka. Needed a moment to chill out. I leaned the old plasma against the wall plugged the DVD in. It was very unsatisfying. I should have keep reading Moby Dick.

Good point. Autophilia is a lot like chasing the great white whale ;-)

 

[DoctorWhy]

I talk to JR often. We meet doing shows. He laid me out with a sub box manufacturer, amps to purchase and a pro grade crossover to purchase that be likes to work with. I will do a swarm if I do anything. At the moment, Im trying to acclimate to the room. What am I working with.

Want to hear something embarrassing. Setting up my system I discovered I had 1 of the 4 woofers out of phase to the other 3. Played them like that for about 4 months. They are all correct now. I still have clean crisp bass. But I lack body and umph. Listened to Wilson/CH Precision yesterday. My wife likes it better than what I built. She still harkens back to the Boulder 2160 and Kharma we heard in San Francisco. I need a living room system. Maybe an Ayre amp and a Kharma with the single woofer and tweeter.

JR convinced me over a few years that a Swarm/Distributed bass array is the way to go. Never would have believed that the Wilson XLF need help in the bass department. The improvement, however, is undeniable. Also, an attenuating the bass to your main speakers (to reduce power demands) and adding the swarm might make the system more dynamic. Lastly, my floor is plywood with a crawl space below, so bouncy. Isolating all speakers and woofers with vibration absorption tightened up my midrange and cleaned up the base. I used the EVP's from AV RoomService.

 

[DoctorWhy]

This is the room with some rough dimensions.

I'm confused by the dimensions. 96"= 8 feet. 8 + 8 = 16 ft??

 

[Lee]

JR convinced me over a few years that a Swarm/Distributed bass array is the way to go. Never would have believed that the Wilson XLF need help in the bass department. The improvement, however, is undeniable. Also, an attenuating the bass to your main speakers (to reduce power demands) and adding the swarm might make the system more dynamic. Lastly, my floor is plywood with a crawl space below, so bouncy. Isolating all speakers and woofers with vibration absorption tightened up my midrange and cleaned up the base. I used the EVP's from AV RoomService.

Even Jacob Heilbrunn with the WAMM and separate bass towers benefitted from adding two LoKes to the back of his listening room.

 

[Kingrex]

I'm confused by the dimensions. 96"= 8 feet. 8 + 8 = 16 ft??

Yes, its 16 feet wide.

 

[adyc]

JR convinced me over a few years that a Swarm/Distributed bass array is the way to go. Never would have believed that the Wilson XLF need help in the bass department. The improvement, however, is undeniable. Also, an attenuating the bass to your main speakers (to reduce power demands) and adding the swarm might make the system more dynamic. Lastly, my floor is plywood with a crawl space below, so bouncy. Isolating all speakers and woofers with vibration absorption tightened up my midrange and cleaned up the base. I used the EVP's from AV RoomService.

Definitely. JR also helped me setting DBA. It is not about more bass. It is about even out the bass nodes. Now I can’t hear much bass bumps and bass overhang almost nonexistent. And the bass is very clean.

 

[Kingrex]

I went to a friend's yesterday to hear his system. His excuse was he just updates the software and loat all his room settings. Hes full DSP. And he says he's breaking in some new SS amps. I told him it was compressed, bloated and distorted.
I then went home and fired up my system and let it warm while watching an hour of a show.

This last week I had got into the room with a tape measure and pulled the speakers out to 66 inch. Some uncomfortable bass couple or cancel or both. It sounded horrible. I then pushed them back to 62 inch. Much better. I also found if I open the windows behind them a few inches, its better.

I moved all my tapes out of the room as its getting to hot. only have a 4 channel 7.5 ips Tchaikovsky tape up there. I am therefore playing a lot of digital. I put on a 24x192 Beethoven. I am absolutely stunned how well my system plays. What shocked me the most was being able to hear very percusly in tone and space the lead violin hand off to the second/third violin and onto the Viola. Just amazing. And the tone is so spot on. I can't see ever upgrading my speakers, amps and preamp. Not sure about the digital. But I feel no need too at this time. Its just superb. It was much better in most ways than the 7.5 ips tape. But that is not a very accurate comparison as its a different recording, orchestra etc.

I am also able to sit a little further back now. No other room treatments. Just speaker positioning. And 1.pair of absorbers I made years ago with compressed fiberglass insulation 4 inch thick. They were not moved.

I like the sound I am getting. I prefer it much more than any of the SS/boxed dynamic driver systems I hear. I don't have quite the bass punch. But then again, I have gone to a lot of outdoor and a couple indoor concerts this year. Non have a felt punch like a stereo. Actually non have an immersion into the music like an audio system. For all the talk of Natural and Live Acoustic, non of the stereo I hear do that. They all create an artificially large and imposing sonic space. Live is always out in front, projecting towards you. I like the affect of beiing in it. But its not true to a live event. What is true to live that I am getting is tone and placement of instruments. Just fantastic. I'm very pleased so far.

I was watching Synaxis vidoe on the AGS diffusers. I would like to try something like that in my room. Someone on another thread was getting all snarky about trying something because a social influencer or just forum poster lauded over it. Well, yea, I guess I do at times try stuff because someone talked about it.
Rex

 

[Lagonda]

I went to a friend's yesterday to hear his system. His excuse was he just updates the software and loat all his room settings. Hes full DSP. And he says he's breaking in some new SS amps. I told him it was compressed, bloated and distorted.
I then went home and fired up my system and let it warm while watching an hour of a show.

This last week I had got into the room with a tape measure and pulled the speakers out to 66 inch. Some uncomfortable bass couple or cancel or both. It sounded horrible. I then pushed them back to 62 inch. Much better. I also found if I open the windows behind them a few inches, its better.

I moved all my tapes out of the room as its getting to hot. only have a 4 channel 7.5 ips Tchaikovsky tape up there. I am therefore playing a lot of digital. I put on a 24x192 Beethoven. I am absolutely stunned how well my system plays. What shocked me the most was being able to hear very percusly in tone and space the lead violin hand off to the second/third violin and onto the Viola. Just amazing. And the tone is so spot on. I can't see ever upgrading my speakers, amps and preamp. Not sure about the digital. But I feel no need too at this time. Its just superb. It was much better in most ways than the 7.5 ips tape. But that is not a very accurate comparison as its a different recording, orchestra etc.

I am also able to sit a little further back now. No other room treatments. Just speaker positioning. And 1.pair of absorbers I made years ago with compressed fiberglass insulation 4 inch thick. They were not moved.

I like the sound I am getting. I prefer it much more than any of the SS/boxed dynamic driver systems I hear. I don't have quite the bass punch. But then again, I have gone to a lot of outdoor and a couple indoor concerts this year. Non have a felt punch like a stereo. Actually non have an immersion into the music like an audio system. For all the talk of Natural and Live Acoustic, non of the stereo I hear do that. They all create an artificially large and imposing sonic space. Live is always out in front, projecting towards you. I like the affect of beiing in it. But its not true to a live event. What is true to live that I am getting is tone and placement of instruments. Just fantastic. I'm very pleased so far.

I was watching Synaxis vidoe on the AGS diffusers. I would like to try something like that in my room. Someone on another thread was getting all snarky about trying something because a social influencer or just forum poster lauded over it. Well, yea, I guess I do at times try stuff because someone talked about it.
Rex

And you will always be remembered on WBF as the guy who paid Jay for his advice !

 

[Ron Resnick]

I am absolutely stunned how well my system plays.

Congratulations, Rex!

 

[Kingrex]

And you will always be remembered on WBF as the guy who paid Jay for his advice !

Haaa. Yea, and I told people to consider a BACCH. Not so sure about that now.

I was very aware my friends system sounds very Digital. Its a different digital sound than a DAC source to a preamp/amp. Its processed and has a lot of noise I was aware of thats not in my system. I don't think I will ever try it. I have come way to far with a traditional source, pre, amp, speaker. I don't see the benefit of additional Processing. I can get a nice soundstage with the room.

 

[Lagonda]

Haaa. Yea, and I told people to consider a BACCH. Not so sure about that now.

I was very aware my friends system sounds very Digital. Its a different digital sound than a DAC source to a preamp/amp. Its processed and has a lot of noise I was aware of thats not in my system. I don't think I will ever try it. I have come way to far with a traditional source, pre, amp, speaker. I don't see the benefit of additional Processing. I can get a nice soundstage with the room.

You are a true audiophile Rex, willing to try it all out and keep what you prefer. Respect !