New Network Acoustics eno2 system

[Republicoftexas69]

Thanks coach; top tip, right there!

Apols, I took your post at face value.

Here is the answer that has been posted in the AD.

In digital “speed” is measured by a square wave rise time. If you increase the square wave rise, time you can provide more accurate version of the original signal. A more instant on and off or more instant change in voltage rather. This was third-party tested through the university of Toronto and is in the patent 8,272,876. I believe that the increase was something around 14% but its been awhile I could be wrong. For Audiophile, what is important is that it’s highly audible. Delivers a much crisper clearer signal. It is reasonable to know that it is not only applicable to digital signals however obviously in that analog realm as some may argue that would not apply the same way to an analog signal. An analog signal is not as square wave. The basic understanding is that increasing square wave rise, directly relates to the decrease of jitter. They are proportional to one another. There is more in the patent that includes the reduction of THD using magnetic conduction and goes on to show increased efficiency of connected components to a cable with magnetic conduction. All were third party tests on magnetic conduction that were also verified by Walter’s Forensic Engineering in Toronto. I hope that helps.

 

[mvarey]

I have Anyone have any experience with this Rick Shultz designs?
He is known for cutting edge devices and is substantially less that the NA products.

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I have Eno and Muon and RS Shockwave. I am currently running the NA into Shockwaves. Whole other kind of experience for me in my system. NA's have been excellent and beneficial for me in every way people usually list, but Shockwaves take what NA does and turns sq into a much more experiential, three dimensional thing. For me the vibrations of strings, the sound of the skin of drums all resolved properly and life like for the first time. Much more control on bass, much better imaging.

 

[tony22]

I have Eno and Muon and RS Shockwave. I am currently running the NA into Shockwaves. Whole other kind of experience for me in my system. NA's have been excellent and beneficial for me in every way people usually list, but Shockwaves take what NA does and turns sq into a much more experiential, three dimensional thing. For me the vibrations of strings, the sound of the skin of drums all resolved properly and life like for the first time. Much more control on bass, much better imaging.

As you are a new member, perhaps you could post a picture of your system with all three of these in view and give us more info as to where each was used, and with what associated equipment and network cables.

 

[Republicoftexas69]

As you are a new member, perhaps you could post a picture of your system with all three of these in view and give us more info as to where each was used, and with what associated equipment and network cables.

He is a new member, Canadian, as id Rick and he fled back to Canada after bankrupting his company Texas. This member has only made 2 posts both on this subject. He is a plant by RS Audio..

 

[Republicoftexas69]

I have Eno and Muon and RS Shockwave. I am currently running the NA into Shockwaves. Whole other kind of experience for me in my system. NA's have been excellent and beneficial for me in every way people usually list, but Shockwaves take what NA does and turns sq into a much more experiential, three dimensional thing. For me the vibrations of strings, the sound of the skin of drums all resolved properly and life like for the first time. Much more control on bass, much better imaging.

He is a new member, Canadian, as did Rick and he fled back to Canada after bankrupting his company in Texas. This member has only made 2 posts both on this subject. He is a plant by RS Audio..

 

[tony22]

He is a new member…

I was trying to be subtle.

 

[Republicoftexas69]

I was trying to be subtle.

Not the way we do it here in Texas. I am to the point.

 

[tony22]

Not the way we do it here in Texas. I am to the point.

Hey, I’m from the Bronx. If I wanted to drop a crate of whoopa$$ on the guy, I would have!

 

[Synaxis]

It's a good day when we have the Bronx and Texas teamed up on the same side.

 

[Republicoftexas69]

Hey, I’m from the Bronx. If I wanted to drop a crate of whoopa$$ on the guy, I would have!

I am sure you could. I am originally from Chicago so a have some real issues.

 

[BigAlMc]

I'm not gonna be subtle.

Another Network Acoustics thread where the actual topic gets virtually no discussion. The Tempus thread started off promisingly but then degenerates into several pages about bloody fuses.

This one barely mentions the Eno and then goes off piste about Routers.

Maybe it's just me but this forum seems a complete waste of time these days.

I'll let you guys get back to your off-topic ramblings and for anyone that's actually interested in the Eno2 then best bet is just buy one. The Muon is brilliant and Network Acoustics are a class act so the Eno2 is probably great.

As you were....

 

[treitz3]

Hello and good morning to you. Thread drift happens on all forums. Censoring every single post (the WBF cannot control what and how people post, unless it is against the TOS) that is off topic would yield a forum that would be akin to a ridgid, one lane censorship discussion.

We allow (within reason) the discussion to happen naturally, as if you were in the room, discussing audio with your friends.

NA has a window to where you can try a unit out for yourself to decide whether or not it makes a difference in your rig. You don't need a thread that is heavy handed by a moderation team to figure out whether it would work for you or not.

As with any discussion, one is welcome to join in on the discussion or leave said discussion. Alternatively, a new thread can be posted. If you want to know more about the Eno, ask a question. The members here who have the unit would be happy to answer said question.

That said, we hope you will ask the question you obviously came to this thread to discover. If you want to know something about this unit or the Tempus.....we cannot guess what your inquiry is, until you let us know.

Until then, the current discussion will continue, even with thread drift. Thanks and have a great day.

Tom

 

[ssfas]

I'm not gonna be subtle.

Another Network Acoustics thread where the actual topic gets virtually no discussion. The Tempus thread started off promisingly but then degenerates into several pages about bloody fuses.

This one barely mentions the Eno and then goes off piste about Routers.

Maybe it's just me but this forum seems a complete waste of time these days.

I'll let you guys get back to your off-topic ramblings and for anyone that's actually interested in the Eno2 then best bet is just buy one. The Muon is brilliant and Network Acoustics are a class act so the Eno2 is probably great.

As you were....

Probably because the network infrastructure is pretty important.

I have about 80 active devices in my home as there is a fair amount of automation and multiple 24/192 capable devices around the house (about 30 in total). I have a fibre modem, the network hardware is Ubiquiti, a LAN Gateway (creates a VLAN for the audio system) and a 24 port + 2 x fibre switch. One fibre goes to the audio and the other to the AV. That lot costs about $500. Add in 4 wired access points (not part of the hifi) and the total system cost is about the same as the eno2 box (£1,000).

Low jitter clocks have been around for years. I tried one just behind the audio system, pictured below, the new clock board is on the right and the regulator on the left. This unit costs about $500, there are similar units for $5,000. This unit made no difference, so I took it is now in the spares box. If you speak to any sane network engineer they will tell you ethernet switch technology has barely changed in 30 years.



Ethernet filters have been around for decades. The world leader is in Germany, called Emosystems, formed 20 years ago, who make a range of products. These are primarily designed as safety systems for medical equipment, providing galvanic isolation to protect from over voltage, for which there are international regulations: IEC 60601-1.

EMOSAFE network isolators • Applications • EMO Systems GmbH

EMOSAFE network isolators can be used in the medical environment, in measuring and monitoring equipment, in computer systems, audio sector

emosystems.de

Again, this is established technology and there are several audio businesses making products that are identical save for the packaging, for example the iFi LAN iSilencer, which is about the same price as an equivalent Emo product. I tried an Emo unit ($50 from eBay), it made no difference, it's in the spares box.

Power and ethernet products like these seem to be about fixing infrastructure problems, so depend on if you have an infrastructure problem in the first place. Plus there may already be a standard fix. The best example is grounding systems, all of which are identical apart from the casework and the price.

I suppose it's only a matter of how much you are prepared to pay on the chance that this or any other device will fix a problem you might have that you didn't know about. For me it was $500.

There's not a lot to discuss because NA won't discuss their technology, which I understand to have long since been solved, and you simply have to hand over the cash and form your own opinion.

There is an Emo video on ethernet isolation for audio. I probably don't have an issue as I only have 75cm of wire ethernet cable in my system.

 

[Network Acoustics]

Probably because the network infrastructure is pretty important.

I have about 80 active devices in my home as there is a fair amount of automation and multiple 24/192 capable devices around the house (about 30 in total). I have a fibre modem, the network hardware is Ubiquiti, a LAN Gateway (creates a VLAN for the audio system) and a 24 port + 2 x fibre switch. One fibre goes to the audio and the other to the AV. That lot costs about $500. Add in 4 wired access points (not part of the hifi) and the total system cost is about the same as the eno2 box (£1,000).

Low jitter clocks have been around for years. I tried one just behind the audio system, pictured below, the new clock board is on the right and the regulator on the left. This unit costs about $500, there are similar units for $5,000. This unit made no difference, so I took it is now in the spares box. If you speak to any sane network engineer they will tell you ethernet switch technology has barely changed in 30 years.

View attachment 138450

Ethernet filters have been around for decades. The world leader is in Germany, called Emosystems, formed 20 years ago, who make a range of products. These are primarily designed as safety systems for medical equipment, providing galvanic isolation to protect from over voltage, for which there are international regulations: IEC 60601-1.

EMOSAFE network isolators • Applications • EMO Systems GmbH

EMOSAFE network isolators can be used in the medical environment, in measuring and monitoring equipment, in computer systems, audio sector

emosystems.de

Again, this is established technology and there are several audio businesses making products that are identical save for the packaging, for example the iFi LAN iSilencer, which is about the same price as an equivalent Emo product. I tried an Emo unit ($50 from eBay), it made no difference, it's in the spares box.

Power and ethernet products like these seem to be about fixing infrastructure problems, so depend on if you have an infrastructure problem in the first place. Plus there may already be a standard fix. The best example is grounding systems, all of which are identical apart from the casework and the price.

I suppose it's only a matter of how much you are prepared to pay on the chance that this or any other device will fix a problem you might have that you didn't know about. For me it was $500.

There's not a lot to discuss because NA won't discuss their technology, which I understand to have long since been solved, and you simply have to hand over the cash and form your own opinion.

There is an Emo video on ethernet isolation for audio. I probably don't have an issue as I only have 75cm of wire ethernet cable in my system.

A quick point of clarification. Our Ethernet Filters do not provide galvanic isolation or protection against external interference from high voltage spikes. Our products are for filtering RFI interference only and do not provide environmental protection. NA

 

[ssfas]

A quick point of clarification. Our Ethernet Filters do not provide galvanic isolation or protection against external interference from high voltage spikes. Our products are for filtering RFI interference only and do not provide environmental protection. NA

These products are designed for system protection and low frequency mains hum in audio systems.

https://www.emosystems.com/wp-content/uploads/Datasheet_EN-70-V40.pdf

Do you get RFI via long ethernet runs? Any decent CAT6a has at least two levels of shielding. I put fibre in about 10 years ago, so it's never been something I've even thought about. I only have 75cm of copper ethernet cable, if I wanted to go full audiophile I'd get a Neotech UP-OCC triple shielded ethernet cable for £100, given the rest of my cabling on the digital signal path is Neotech UP-OCC.

You have to have a copper ethernet cable from the filter to your streamer anyway, so it can't be completely avoided.

The way to remove RFI is an optocoupler or a fibre bridge. Is that what your unit does?

 

[Republicoftexas69]

I'm not gonna be subtle.

Another Network Acoustics thread where the actual topic gets virtually no discussion. The Tempus thread started off promisingly but then degenerates into several pages about bloody fuses.

This one barely mentions the Eno and then goes off piste about Routers.

Maybe it's just me but this forum seems a complete waste of time these days.

I'll let you guys get back to your off-topic ramblings and for anyone that's actually interested in the Eno2 then best bet is just buy one. The Muon is brilliant and Network Acoustics are a class act so the Eno2 is probably great.

As you were....

Okay. So tell us about your experience with the Eno 2.

 

[Republicoftexas69]

Probably because the network infrastructure is pretty important.

I have about 80 active devices in my home as there is a fair amount of automation and multiple 24/192 capable devices around the house (about 30 in total). I have a fibre modem, the network hardware is Ubiquiti, a LAN Gateway (creates a VLAN for the audio system) and a 24 port + 2 x fibre switch. One fibre goes to the audio and the other to the AV. That lot costs about $500. Add in 4 wired access points (not part of the hifi) and the total system cost is about the same as the eno2 box (£1,000).

Low jitter clocks have been around for years. I tried one just behind the audio system, pictured below, the new clock board is on the right and the regulator on the left. This unit costs about $500, there are similar units for $5,000. This unit made no difference, so I took it is now in the spares box. If you speak to any sane network engineer they will tell you ethernet switch technology has barely changed in 30 years.

View attachment 138450

Ethernet filters have been around for decades. The world leader is in Germany, called Emosystems, formed 20 years ago, who make a range of products. These are primarily designed as safety systems for medical equipment, providing galvanic isolation to protect from over voltage, for which there are international regulations: IEC 60601-1.

EMOSAFE network isolators • Applications • EMO Systems GmbH

EMOSAFE network isolators can be used in the medical environment, in measuring and monitoring equipment, in computer systems, audio sector

emosystems.de

Again, this is established technology and there are several audio businesses making products that are identical save for the packaging, for example the iFi LAN iSilencer, which is about the same price as an equivalent Emo product. I tried an Emo unit ($50 from eBay), it made no difference, it's in the spares box.

Power and ethernet products like these seem to be about fixing infrastructure problems, so depend on if you have an infrastructure problem in the first place. Plus there may already be a standard fix. The best example is grounding systems, all of which are identical apart from the casework and the price.

I suppose it's only a matter of how much you are prepared to pay on the chance that this or any other device will fix a problem you might have that you didn't know about. For me it was $500.

There's not a lot to discuss because NA won't discuss their technology, which I understand to have long since been solved, and you simply have to hand over the cash and form your own opinion.

There is an Emo video on ethernet isolation for audio. I probably don't have an issue as I only have 75cm of wire ethernet cable in my system.

Found the installation instructions chocked full of great tips! https://www.emosystems.com/wp-content/uploads/Datasheet_EN-85e.pdf

 

[BigAlMc]

Hello and good morning to you. Thread drift happens on all forums. Censoring every single post (the WBF cannot control what and how people post, unless it is against the TOS) that is off topic would yield a forum that would be akin to a ridgid, one lane censorship discussion.

We allow (within reason) the discussion to happen naturally, as if you were in the room, discussing audio with your friends.

NA has a window to where you can try a unit out for yourself to decide whether or not it makes a difference in your rig. You don't need a thread that is heavy handed by a moderation team to figure out whether it would work for you or not.

As with any discussion, one is welcome to join in on the discussion or leave said discussion. Alternatively, a new thread can be posted. If you want to know more about the Eno, ask a question. The members here who have the unit would be happy to answer said question.

That said, we hope you will ask the question you obviously came to this thread to discover. If you want to know something about this unit or the Tempus.....we cannot guess what your inquiry is, until you let us know.

Until then, the current discussion will continue, even with thread drift. Thanks and have a great day.

Tom

Hi Tom,

Thanks for your reply and good afternoon/evening I guess to you. It's evening here in London but I guess there's a good chance you're in the US.

I appreciate and agreed with the majority of your reply. And FWIW I'm not arguing for stronger/tougher moderation. These forums work best when people self moderate in my experience.

My annoyance (and perhaps my post was a little punchy) was that one person posted the advert for the Eno2. Kudos to that person so sharing the news and making people that might have otherwise missed it aware of the new product. But after that there is literally no discussion about the Eno2 and instead people started banging on about audiophile routers and ISP providers. I'd be genuinely interested in reading about that. But on a thread about Audiophile routers. It's not thread drift when the thread literally doesn't discuss the stated topic.

I just bought a Tempus. It's fantastic. As are Network Acoustics. But the Tempus thread really didn't help with my decision because they haven't discussed the actual Tempus for like a year now. Hence my frustration at this thread.

I also own the Muon Pro which is likewise fantastic. But honestly it was Audiogon rather than this forum that drove that decision.

I understand I'm not winning any friends here but there's a difference between thread drift and free association just posting whatever is on your mind currently. I think that's what Facebook is for.

Meantime if anyone has actual experience with the Eno2 then it'd be great if they can share that.

Apologies for being a grumpy Scotsman but such is life.

Cheers,
Alan

 

[Superdad]

Meantime if anyone has actual experience with the Eno2 then it'd be great if they can share that.

Hi Alan:
I have decades of experience with Eno as I have collected most all his albums. Most are terrific—the early ones—some are boring.

 

[Kingrex]

Hi Tom,

Thanks for your reply and good afternoon/evening I guess to you. It's evening here in London but I guess there's a good chance you're in the US.

I appreciate and agreed with the majority of your reply. And FWIW I'm not arguing for stronger/tougher moderation. These forums work best when people self moderate in my experience.

My annoyance (and perhaps my post was a little punchy) was that one person posted the advert for the Eno2. Kudos to that person so sharing the news and making people that might have otherwise missed it aware of the new product. But after that there is literally no discussion about the Eno2 and instead people started banging on about audiophile routers and ISP providers. I'd be genuinely interested in reading about that. But on a thread about Audiophile routers. It's not thread drift when the thread literally doesn't discuss the stated topic.

I just bought a Tempus. It's fantastic. As are Network Acoustics. But the Tempus thread really didn't help with my decision because they haven't discussed the actual Tempus for like a year now. Hence my frustration at this thread.

I also own the Muon Pro which is likewise fantastic. But honestly it was Audiogon rather than this forum that drove that decision.

I understand I'm not winning any friends here but there's a difference between thread drift and free association just posting whatever is on your mind currently. I think that's what Facebook is for.

Meantime if anyone has actual experience with the Eno2 then it'd be great if they can share that.

Apologies for being a grumpy Scotsman but such is life.

Cheers,
Alan

I get your point. Problem is, a network has many variables on how its set up. And having the foundational infrastructure correct is important. It has a profound impact as you get closer to your streamer. Most ethernet devices plug in between you playback device and the ethernet jack in you room. So people like to clarify you should set everything up corectly before that jack in the wall. Then test the device in hand. Most serious audiophiles are going to utilize high quality routers, switches, power supplies and vibration control before the ethernet jack gets to the room. If someone were to give there opinion of what the Eno2 does without addressing the foundation of their data stream, then their perceptions don't have merrit to someone who has spent the time and money to do it right.