Rock and Drum videos thread
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Both have intrinsic problems - our valuation of them depends mostly on our training and attitude in the hobby. As far as I have seen videos in general are misleading because of the typical conditions used in their making.
As far as I have seen in WBF videos always need a "mentor" comment about specific aspects - but we could say the same happens in shows. Personally I prefer a show, where I can perceive the variables and conditioning, to watching a media with such technical and subjective limitations.
IMHO videos focus on a very specific aspect and ignore the overall picture of the recording. Just MHO, YMMV.
Videos are only better during a pandemic.. Being there in person allows you to somewhat evaluate the room and get a “real” sense of what’s being presented. Too many unknowns in a video that usually is only focused on a small area of the presentation. Playback through a 5 mm speaker doesn’t equate to what’s actually happening in the room either..
Those hotel rooms are not a good environment for most systems, but it does gives a more realistic sense of what’s being played than a recording of a playback system.. IME.
During my pandemic you tube investigation , i ve come to the conclusion that i m probably done with the whole amplification issue .
Solid state doesnt seem really worth it anymore regardless of price , although id love to hear a good dartzeel or Lamm set up
I think on you tube you can get a small impression of what it really sounds like , i think its certainly help full
But the main thing i have against shows/ dealers is that most have selected a limited amount of cd s( digital files / streaming whatever ) that sound good on the system.
But when you bring that stuff home and play some real music ... thats when the shit hits the fan usually .
Thats why i build my own stuff
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And the even worse videos of them I have been posting on YT for years (thumbs up).
One things for sure. The video or recording quality and hence presentation when heard completely changes when you change the phone or mic you use to record them. Not a good sign.
Thanks, Marc. And all this time I thought you and Lagonda lacked listening skills. Boy, do I feel dumb.
Listening is the easiest thing in the world. Hearing and understanding somewhat harder. Empathy and respect for others can take a lifetime of endeavour.
This is an awesome video. Great impact, dynamics, and bass tone. It makes the videos before it seem anemic. The cymbals are also quite good, IMO.
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Another excellent video. You are posting some great ones, djsina2.
Respect for who, Marc, you? With your routine snarky ad hominem attacks I hope you’re joking. I’m here to participate and engage with those who earnestly desire to discuss and seek ways to improve their playback performance. For those genuine types I do show respect.
OTOH, I still chuckle when I recall some of your posts including one or two where I could have had a field day but instead just went about my business. Wasn’t that respectful enough? At the very least I thought I was kind.
I try to be performance-oriented in every aspect of high-end audio so I’m kinda’ surprised you would even reach out to me in any fashion because I just don’t see us as having anything in common. Unless per chance you thought I was somehow raining on your charade – I mean parade?
Hey, wait a minute. You’re still upset with me because I declined to do business with you a few years back, aren’t you? Please stop holding a grudge against me. After all, your playback system’s level of musicality is still based on your knowledge, experience, and decisions, not mine. Well, sorta'.
Unsure. That piece came from a package of 10 SACD guitar tracks I downloaded somewhere (maybe HDTracks?) years ago and neglected to capture any of the track info.
Hi, Peter. Both this and the Walkiing on the Moon track seem to be pretty well-engineered recordings. In fact, I searched for the Walking on the Moon CD this morning but it seems out of print except for a used one on eBay for $179. It's not quite that nice.
Anyway, there were 2 rather significant aspects regarding your comments both here and in your Walking on the Moon post that it seems you and perhaps a few others overlooked.
1. Though it seems apparent that both recordings are on the superior side of the egineering fence it also seems clear both playback systems are not all that resolving/musical. For the simple reason the first recording clearly sounds like it's being played back in a room about the size of a large walk-in closet and the second recording clearly sounds like it's being played back in a room the size of a large kitchen or at most maybe a 2 car garage tops. IOW, there's very little expansiveness in either's playback presentation because the playback systems' resolution is such that much of the ambient info embedded in the recording is inaudible at the speaker. As a result we're hearing the listening room itself which is never a good sign. Along with that there is muffled bass, drums, etc and clearly the 2nd system with the Audio Tekne integrated seems to show more promise than the first system.
It's really an audible battle between the listening room's acoustics and the live performance's volumes of ambient info embedded in the recording where the playback system's noise floor level determines the winner and loser. But it's never a good sign when the listening room wins because that's when the performance becomes unbelievable. To the best of my knowledge, one should never ever hear my listening room's acoustics with any of my in-room recordings or for that matter perhaps any recording in my listening room. If I thought that was the case, I wouldn't bother sharing my in-room recordings because that level of playback is a dime a dozen. Even those like INXS, Donovan, The Guess Who, or The Edgar Winter Group and numerous others which seem to be recorded in much smaller recording studios, one should still only hear the small recording venue's ambient info and not my much smaller listening room's acoustic anomalies.
To compare and contrast this I'd like to suggest listening to those two recordings you really like more closely and try to imagine the size of the room in which you're listening based on the reverberation times, etc. Then listen to Teen Town by Weather Report I posted above for which I suspect that performance took place in a recording hall maybe about half the size of a full-basketball court. Or perhaps listen to this drum solo below that I'd guess took place in a recording hall maybe 1/3rd the size of a full basketball court. But I'm guessing. In either of my videos, I hear a rather large, expansive, lively, and airy presentation exactly like I would hope to hear from of a larger recording hall and I can assure you my somewhat smallish listening room ain't none of those things. But of course I'm biased.
Regardless, when a playback system lacks resolution (all do to one great extent or another), it's an across-the-board thing as all sonic characteristics suffer equally but some suffering characteristics seem more easily apparent than others. Hearing the listening room's acoustics is most always a dead giveaway of a playback system's lack of resolution because much of the volumes of ambient info of the live performance is captured / embedded into even some of the most inferior recordings. The smaller the room sounds the less the recording hall's ambient info is remaining audible from the recording at the speaker. This most always implies a much raised noise floor and hence a less resolving the playback system.
IMO, the ambient info is the absolute lowest of all low-level detail and if that is true then that is the first thing that starts becoming inaudible by the time the signal reaches the speaker. Such that we're now seemly hearing only or mostly just the listening room. I like to think in my case, I've so dramatically lowered my playback system's noise floor such that the live performance's volumes of ambient info embedded in most every recording (remember it's the lowest of all low-level detail) completely? overshadows my listening room's acoustics every time. In fact, that's one reason why I share my in-room recordings.
2. I think I'll save the other even more signficant aspect for another time as I suspect this one aspect I mentioned above is enough potential controversy for the time being.
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