Yes, thank you. I saw that. But I need two matched quads. I don't want to just got a single random quad.
Perhaps contacting the seller might prove fruitful , dealers often drip feed a set of valves such as these onto the market until they are sold, then list another quad , he may be able to supply an Octet.
 
Somewhat one of the Achilles heals where multi output valve topologies are concerned, especially when attempting to match increasingly hard to source and ever more expensive NOS valves .
No problem jadis use auto bias , the resistor determines the operating point.
if one of these does not produce exactly the same value, perfect matching the tubes does nothing. I wouldn't see it that closely. A friend wanted 16 new pieces of the same KT 90 for a convergent amp jl 1 monos. It took three years.
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when if someone uses this ja 80 please change the resistor to 150k-220kohm its a ticking time bomb.20230912_102040.jpg
 
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Perhaps contacting the seller might prove fruitful , dealers often drip feed a set of valves such as these onto the market until they are sold, then list another quad , he may be able to supply an Octet.
I did exactly that a couple of days ago. Thank you.
 
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No problem jadis use auto bias , the resistor determines the operating point.
if one of these does not produce exactly the same value, perfect matching the tubes does nothing. I wouldn't see it that closely. A friend wanted 16 new pieces of the same KT 90 for a convergent amp jl 1 monos. It took three years.
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when if someone uses this ja 80 please change the resistor to 150k-220kohm its a ticking time bomb.
Yup It is known ….However , For my part I would still prefer to purchase at least the 2 x Quad sets both matched A : they should age at the same rate and B : that should make them more attractive should one A; merely stockpile them then sell them on, or B: One can be offering them as a set Pre used but with matching emissions Or ultimately The JA100’s supplied with used but with matching emissions output valves.
 
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Yup It is known ….However , For my part I would still prefer to purchase at least the 2 x Quad sets both matched A : they should age at the same rate and B : that should make them more attractive should one A; merely stockpile them then sell them on, or B: One can be offering them as a set Pre used but with matching emissions Or ultimately The JA100’s supplied with used but with matching emissions output valves.
I wouldn't use the new Ei KT 90 at all, glowing gold is an investment for live:p
 
I wouldn't use the new Ei KT 90 at all, glowing gold is an investment for live:p

What do you mean by "new" Ei KT90? I thought the Ei KT90s were manufactured before the war in the early 1990s.

Has there been a recent "re-issue" of the Ei KT90?
 
What do you mean by "new" Ei KT90? I thought the Ei KT90s were manufactured before the war in the early 1990s.

Has there been a recent "re-issue" of the Ei KT90?
Ei yugoslavia in Nis closed in 2014 there were over 200,000 tubes of different types in the warehouse. the ones on eBay are unused originals.
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Whoever took them when the factory was dismantled will become a rich man
 
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Whoever took them when the factory was dismantled will become a rich man
Thank you.
 
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Somewhat one of the Achilles heals where multi output valve topologies are concerned, especially when attempting to match increasingly hard to source and ever more expensive NOS valves .

I know that some of the best sound I got from Jadis JA80's was using hard to source , very expensive NOS MOV KT88's well matched tubes.

But IMO if you need hard to source , very expensive NOS valves to evaluate a tube amplifier something is wrong with the amplifier.
 
I know that some of the best sound I got from Jadis JA80's was using hard to source , very expensive NOS MOV KT88's well matched tubes.

Did you ever compare those KT88s to Ei KT90s?
 
Several times over the past year I went back and forth between the Belden 1192A and the Gotham GAC4/1 with Amphenol connectors at ~$70 for a 25-foot pair. Both are fine for my gear, the Gotham being a teeny bit better tonality and the Belden a bit more open, clear and articulated. I settled on the Belden.

Gotham GAC-4/1 is exactly what I am using presently on the JA100s. If you prefer the tonality of the Gotham, maybe I should just stay with the Gotham and not switch to the Belden 1192A to conform it to my balanced runs to the woofer towers.​


Note that the Gotham cable lifts the shield at the downstream component end.
 
How can the VTL with more tubes do that? Easy answer, a shit load more feedback.

Going insane over non-sense about power differences won't gain you squat, since it has nothing to do with the differences you're hearing already except that the VTL HAS to use more feedback or it would have charcoal plugged into the sockets shortly.

The VTL Siegfried II uses zero global feedback. What makes you think it is using a lot of feedback?

I am already using the lowest damping (lowest local feedback) setting.
 

Gotham GAC-4/1


Ron, I guess it's working well.
have you tried the GAC-2?

I am thinking of trying GAC 4/1 or 2. Not sure which one.

I go between 5m Nordost Tyr and Mogami 2549.
 
Ron, I guess it's working well.
have you tried the GAC-2?
No, what Gotham cable design is that?
I am thinking of trying GAC 4/1 or 2. Not sure which one.

I go between 5m Nordost Tyr and Mogami 2549.

What differences do you hear?
 
The VTL Siegfried II uses zero global feedback. What makes you think it is using a lot of feedback?

I am already using the lowest damping (lowest local feedback) setting.

It would blow up in your face if it didn't have any, with that many tubes.

I never said global feedback. You and VTL both say it uses "local" (nested) feedback. You can call it low because of the setting but for a tube amp it certainly isn't low like an SET or something.

You don't get 0.01% distortion without plenty of feedback. In fact all modes it has very low distortion in. Compared to Lamm it has no less than 10x less distortion, to give you a rough idea of feedback.
 
Whilst you know my thoughts re this particular choice of amplifier , well … you are enjoying the journey Ron which is all good .

Whilst the Siemens ( which I expect were likely manufactured at the RFT facility ) are a step up from the EH’s you will still remain on the warm side of the audio venn diagram … If you are wishing to see whether the Jadis can present with a little more neutrality etc. for want of a better descriptor, before heading down the NOS Telefunken / Mullard EF 3/4 ( not EF1/2 ) rabbit hole , I would recommend taking some Genalex Gold Lion KT77’s for a spin :

View attachment 116490or even more interesting imho

Shuguang Black Treasure 6CA7-Z (gold grid)​


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Ron, I have a set of those Black Treasure 6CA7 from about 10 years ago (who knows if the current ones are the same) and they are very good, I actually prefer them in my amp to Mullard xf2, and they have been totally reliable (again who knows if the new ones are the same). The Mullards are just too warm. KT77 is another interesting option. I haven’t tried the Russian Gold Lions, but the JJ KT77 is a good sounding tube but brighter (and more resolving IMO) than EL34 (except for maybe the 10 year old Black Treasures)
Since the Jadis can take bigger KT tubes and EL34, can it do KT66? Now that in my opinion is the best of all these tube types, with great resolution, dynamics and the best treble. Tight accurate bass, not the warmth and bloat of EL34 or KT88. More like a higher resolution KT90, but half the power. The Russian “Gold Lions” are good, but GEC KT66 (either grey glass or clear) are fantastic tubes. Still decent supply of good testing tubes around since they seem to last forever.
 

Gotham GAC-4/1

Starquad wiring instruction:
In order to benefit from the Starquad concept you need to wire the 4 conductors for you balanced audio cable as follows: (See wiring diagram below)
Bundle each opposite (Star) conductor together, we made colour code easy to identify the opposite conductor. (red/pink and white/ivory each belong together.)
Pin2= red&pink (Signal+), Pin3= white&ivory (Signal -). Pin1= shield 1&2 =Ground
Put each a few strands of each layer of the shields together to ground Pin 1 should you not have space for all shielding strands.
Cut away any spare strands from the shields and secure that no loose strands are hanging around. Use a shrinking tube to avoid short circuits.
We do not recommend putting any ground to the body shell on either side of your XLR line. The connector shell will get to ground once plugged into a receptacle.
RCA/Phono/Jack unbalanced wiring:
Many clients use our 4 conductor cable also for unbalanced interconnects. In this case we recommend to only use 2 conductor (red&pink) for your signal and put all other wires or parts thereof to ground with the shields. This will increase your noise protection! However for unbalanced application we do have our perfect unbalanced wires 1001x, and 1000x.
Stereo & 2 Channels application:
We actually do not support the idea to use a Starquad cable for stereo wiring, however it will be done and can be made with acceptable compromise regarding crosstalk and similar. If you use the cable as stereo line, use red/white for channel 1 and pink/ivory for channel 2. And again, all the shields to ground but not to the body shell of your connector.
Check our perfect stereo cables 12001/13001 or our conductor shielded Starquad 11301 for real quality stereo wiring!

Doesn't sound like you should be using it as an interconnect. Imo.
 
No, what Gotham cable design is that?


What differences do you hear?

no idea, hence the question

Tyr is a little more vibrant and forward but can be a little hot in the top end. 2549 more relaxed, bot quite so much detail - not as hot in top end.
 

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