From my experience the EL34 has characteristics of warmth and softness that will vary by amp/preamp implementation.

I agree. The tube type, by itself, does not predict the sound.
 
What "too much warmth" means is up to you.

The puzzle to solve, or balance to strike, for me is to identify the point at which "warmth" appears to diminish transparency or veers to "fuzziness."
Have you talked to Gryphon about the sound what you want?

No; solid-state is not going to get the sound to where my ears want it to be.
 
The puzzle to solve, or balance to strike, for me is to identify the point at which "warmth" appears to diminish transparency or veers to "fuzziness."


No; solid-state is not going to get the sound to where my ears want it to be.

i think your tendency to “intellectually” eliminate options is just going to give you suboptimal results. The sets of valves which is considered good should be tried, then sold back. Then go to the next amp.
 
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i think your tendency to “intellectually” eliminate options is just going to give you suboptimal results. The sets of valves which at considered good should a be tried, then sold back. Then go to the next amp.

I know you think that. :) How much box-swapping do people sometimes do before selecting a winner?

Since installing the Gotham cables from Amazon.com on Sunday I have listened to the JA100s for about 10 hours. Don came over tonight and we listened for about four hours.

Whatever intellectualizing and theorizing I am doing seems to work, as my one (1) amplifier move is a winner!:D (Credit to KeithR for strongly encouraging this move.)
 
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I know you think that. :) How much box-swapping do people sometimes do before selecting a winner?

Since installing the Gotham cables from Amazon.com on Sunday I have listened to the JA100s for about 10 hours. Don came over tonight and we listened for about four hours.

Whatever intellectualizing and theorizing I am doing seems to work, as my one (1) amplifier move is a winner!:D

i would argue the contrary, because the first amp you tried exceeded your previously intellectualised purchase. Maybe the first valve you try will better what you have right now, and the second amp you try will be even better.

You bought a speaker with a different amp match to the one you auditioned it on, with no feedback on the amps that you are trying from existing users of your speaker. So you will need to do a lot of box swapping to optimise as you are on the early part of the discovery line
 
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I was thinking more in terms of power requirements for the speakers.

I don't understand what you think I should ask them.

I strongly suspect that the use of sub-100 watt tube amps on Pendragons is a matter of first impression. I am breaking new ground here!
 
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I have one. I know Lamm gear pretty well.
But feel to call the factory if you have doubts.

You use 50 foot long interconnects?
 
I don't know if any tube preamp with a tube output stage can drive 20 meter long cables (without a buffer of some sort).

The Atmasphere MP1 will do it easily.

The Lamm LL1.1 can.

How do you know?

I have one. I know Lamm gear pretty well.
But feel to call the factory if you have doubts.

You use 50 foot long interconnects?

I use a long run of IC and I've heard the L1.1 drive long runs of IC.

You received two examples in response to your lack of knowledge of tube preamps that can drive 60 foot cables. Choose to believe those claims or not.

Why do you need 60 feet of interconnect between your preamp and your amps?
 
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I don't know if any tube preamp with a tube output stage can drive 20 meter long cables (without a buffer of some sort).

Ron,

Perhaps a clarification will be needed. Technically the important parameter to analyze your question is total cable capacitance - unless you specify a particular cable or cable capacitance per meter the question is absurd.

And "drive" is so ambiguous that we can go on for long saying yes or no, just on the interpretation of the word. Do you want to discuss it objectively or subjectively?
 
I know you think that. :) How much box-swapping do people sometimes do before selecting a winner?

Since installing the Gotham cables from Amazon.com on Sunday I have listened to the JA100s for about 10 hours. Don came over tonight and we listened for about four hours.

Whatever intellectualizing and theorizing I am doing seems to work, as my one (1) amplifier move is a winner!:D (Credit to KeithR for strongly encouraging this move.)

It may be the Gotham cables. What model did you buy?
 
I don't understand what you think I should ask them.

I strongly suspect that the use of sub-100 watt tube amps on Pendragons is a matter of first impression. I am breaking new ground here!
It’s only an impression for that amp…not all sub 100 watt amps…especially not SET amps.
 
I use a long run of IC and I've heard the L1.1 drive long runs of IC.

You received two examples in response to your lack of knowledge of tube preamps that can drive 60 foot cables. Choose to believe those claims or not.

Why do you need 60 feet of interconnect between your preamp and your amps?

Just liking your preamp and hearing it can do anything because it is a Lamm is not the same as having the most basic understanding of the electrical aspects of a tube output stage in a line stage pre-amplifier.
 
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Hello Ron ,

How loud do you normally listen and how far are you away from your speakers ..?


Regardsv

average 85db to 95dB, higher on peaks

about 12 feet
 
average 85db to 95dB, higher on peaks

about 12 feet
Keep in mind this is a line source at this distance and therefore the drop off in SPL with distance is linear and not quadratic. So, it will require less power for a given SPL at that distance than a point source speaker of the same nominal sensitivity.
 

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