The Neolith panel is 35% more surface area than the E2.
Ron’s New System
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Yes, there appears to be a strong consensus about this. The KT90s appear almost unanimously to be on the objective/cooler end of the sonic spectrum.
I definitely want to explore EL34. Perhaps I will find it to be gauzy or too lush. Or I might love it with vocals.
this is quite a flawed specious fallacious thought process
It's wider but lower, the E2 panel is taller, you really have to see them live to get a feel for how large the Statements are, i have to find a small asian man to put next to them for a picture one of these days.
The Neolith does not have the mid-bass capability that the E2 transition tower has. The Neolith was a poor excuse for a top Martin Logan speaker, but with the man hours and parts that had to be purchased elsewhere for making the Statement E2 i understand that the new management of Martin Logan stopped making them, they where hard to make money of, even at $ 125 K and that was 20 years ago. Martin Logan has not been the same since Gayle Sanders sold his company, look at what they are selling now in wall speakers and WAF slim line models ! Fully agree to all this! I don’t think we will ever see a true ”E3” from Martin Logan, sorry to say.It's wider but lower, the E2 panel is taller, you really have to see them live to get a feel for how large the Statements are, i have to find a small asian man to put next to them for a picture one of these days.
Very interesting...I always wondered about that having heard the Neolith once before a long time ago. Never heard the mighty Statements, but I do know 2-3 audio dealers (all ML owners personally) who are long in the tooth and say it remains their favorite speaker of all time.It's wider but lower, the E2 panel is taller, you really have to see them live to get a feel for how large the Statements are, i have to find a small asian man to put next to them for a picture one of these days.
My whole life I wanted a ML Statement E2. If the E2 had been a current production model in 2016, I might very well have ordered it instead of the Pendragon.
I think the midbass coupler array is the right transition between electrostatic panel and woofer towers. Better still would have been the E2 design but with cabinetry and finishing quality upgraded to the level of the Neolith (including resin instead of wood).
I think the midbass coupler array is the right transition between electrostatic panel and woofer towers. Better still would have been the E2 design but with cabinetry and finishing quality upgraded to the level of the Neolith (including resin instead of wood).
Interesting...does the E2 handover midbass to cones? Exactly at what frequency...do you happen to remember?
220Hz
anticipating your next questions:
Pendragon 250Hz*
Big Genesis 100Hz*
*Flemming's and Gary's differing design philosophy and implementation of the BG RD75 driver always has been of great interest to me.
Have you contracted Francisco's virus -- audio crankaris?
I am very well aware that the circuit, and not the tube type, drives the resulting sound. Yet some generalities seem to hold.
Have you ever heard any EL34 amp sound more objective, neutral and extended at the frequency extremes than any KT90 amp?
The reason I say this is by your logic, a 300b should be much more midrange centric and lush than both KT90 and EL34. yet, it will be far more agile, see through to recording, better bass on the right speaker, better midrange and highs, more nuanced, than both of them. One thing it will not be is the 300b amp will not have more power or grip than them for more inefficient speakers.
So I will never make such statements. You will have to try both different amps on their appropriately suited speakers, and put the right tubes in. I do know I don't like any of the KT based amps any more.
"*Flemming's and Gary's differing design philosophy and implementation of the BG RD75 driver always has been of great interest to me."
Guessing the lower crossover has to do with the larger heavier mass aluminum Genesis woofers to the BG's for a more seamless driver integration.
Guessing the lower crossover has to do with the larger heavier mass aluminum Genesis woofers to the BG's for a more seamless driver integration.
No, you are making assumptions. I was not purporting to suggest any logic of general applicability. I was talking about impressions only of EL34 versus KT90. I was implying nothing about 300B or any other tube.
As I said, I agree with micro on some points here, such as with Rhodium, and your compares, you can't make calls unless you do those compares. If you want to theoretically take a leap, call it a leap, don't state it as that is how it will be. I think one of the points was on using VTL RCA vs balanced. I forgot.
Also this https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/ron’s-new-system.35810/post-907421
SS Digital can be on paper more neutral than analog especially with a valve phono. However that statement does not make the slightest sense.