Ron’s New System

[PeterA]

Everyone should feel more than comfortable about sharing their preferences for gear, music, food whatever without anyone thinking that it’s some kind of attack on someone else’s other preferences I’d have thought.

I totally agree. Liking one’s own system and music and then sharing it with others does not mean you are attacking their choices in gear or music.

I think Ron was simply wondering why the song money and album dark side of the Moon are liked by others. I found that article and thought I would share it and perhaps Ron would read it and find some answers to his question.

 

[the sound of Tao]

I totally agree. Liking one’s own system and music and then sharing it with others does not mean you are attacking their choices in gear or music.

I think Ron was simply wondering why the song money and album dark side of the Moon are liked by others. I found that article and thought I would share it and perhaps Ron would read it and find some answers to his question.

Some of the music I like quite a lot of people aren’t drawn to so if I raised an eyebrow anytime anyone said they didn’t get it I’d be in permanent facial spasms. I’ve also said to a few who’ve asked me about horns and SET that I genuinely don’t feel everyone tunes in to them or they are a good fit for them. Understanding what we are looking for out of this and why some people resonate with some types of music or specific gear is probably more interesting than chasing down any ultimate rights and wrongs in any of our individual choices. It’s always a shame that this is such a long distance gig and more can’t experience things the way each of us do so we can perhaps pull back a little from talking so much about it and just experience more and enjoy sharing music along the way.

 

[Ron Resnick]

This is an extremely popular song and album, and for good reason, IMO.

https://myrockmixtapes.com/2016/04/02/the-story-of-pink-floyds-money/

Thank you, Peter!

 

[Pokey77]

Some of the music I like quite a lot of people aren’t drawn to so if I raised an eyebrow anytime anyone said they didn’t get it I’d be in permanent facial spasms. I’ve also said to a few who’ve asked me about horns and SET that I genuinely don’t feel everyone tunes in to them or they are a good fit for them. Understanding what we are looking for out of this and why some people resonate with some types of music or specific gear is probably more interesting than chasing down any ultimate rights and wrongs in any of our individual choices. It’s always a shame that this is such a long distance gig and more can’t experience things the way each of us do so we can perhaps pull back a little from talking so much about it and just experience more and enjoy sharing music along the way.

Absolutely

 

[Mendel]

Bad mouthing Money and Dark Side of The Moon??
Not cool Ronny!

 

[Folsom]

Yes, saturation of parts!

Yes which is almost always an SS problem... and of which Mike uses. Not all philosophy mixes - unlike paranoia.

 

[rob]

Meddle and Animals are great albums, also Wish you were hear. I enjoy them a lot more than Dark side of the moon.
The Wall sounds pretty well recorded on my system, very dynamic and lively.

 

[Kingrex]

I was thinking about the whole Pink Floyd on and off today. I look at how they phrase music and utilize instruments as far more sophisticated than most other bands. I also find The Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Peter Frampton, Cat Stevens and many others to step beyond the music being a rhythm for a singer to overlay vocals on. They use the instruments to create a mood and tell a story as much as the vocals.

Just today a audiophile was telling me about a friend who has powerhouse amps to run his AlexxV. But of late he is enamored with his SIT3 or some low power model Nelson amp running them. This person was surprised how well they played together at reasonable volume levels.

If Ron is mostly listening to vocal music with rhythmic overlays, I don't see the need for massive headroom. It seems a few good watts is going to put him in the sweet spot and there you go. I bet if he went intentionally looking for issues or a lack of dynamics, he could find it. But would that relate to the music he generally prefers. Probably not. So why get spun up on watts if its not something that is going to limit the listeners genera of music.

 

[Ron Resnick]

If Ron is mostly listening to vocal music with rhythmic overlays, I don't see the need for massive headroom. It seems a few good watts is going to put him in the sweet spot and there you go. I bet if he went intentionally looking for issues or a lack of dynamics, he could find it. But would that relate to the music he generally prefers. Probably not. So why get spun up on watts if its not something that is going to limit the listeners genera of music.

I'd say about 10% of my solo listening is big classical and jazz. I'd say about 50% of my listening with visitors is big classical and jazz.

I definitely have as a goal that the system do a credible and convincing job on big classical and jazz. If I wanted to risk forfeiting the system doing a credible and convincing job on big classical and jazz I would get Absolare SETs (52 watts) or Jadis JA80 Mk. IIs with EL34s (about 60 watts).

But now you do have me reconsidering the pros and cons of JA200 versus JA120.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Eeesh . . . Now that I am back to thinking midrange magic I'm thinking maybe I should consider Thrax Spartacus 300B.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Spartacus 300B Power Amplifier by Thrax Audio

Spartacus 300B versus Absolare SET versus Jadis JA120 with EL34s?

 

[morricab]

Spartacus 300B versus Absolare SET versus Jadis JA120 with EL34s?

Find a used VAC 70/70 and see if you like push/pull 300B sound. Not the last word in anything but not so expensive to get one.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Find a used VAC 70/70 and see if you like push/pull 300B sound. Not the last word in anything but not so expensive to get one.

I like that idea. Thank you.

How do you think this amplifier sounds compared to Jadis? 845 PSETs?

 

[morricab]

I like that idea. Thank you.

How do you think this amplifier sounds compared to Jadis? 845 PSETs?

Honestly cannot say as I haven’t heard the Jadis SETs. I owned the VAC 30/30 some years ago and it was a quite good sounding amp. Probably one of the closest to SET sound I have heard from a PP amp. It also had a lot of grunt and was able to drive lots of speaker types.
The ultimate iteration of this design was the Phi 70.

 

[bonzo75]

I like that idea. Thank you.

How do you think this amplifier sounds compared to Jadis? 845 PSETs?

What are you going to get out of this except multiple amp compares, which will only isolate some amps and favor those better matched to your speaker and pre. What you seem to seek is a generic direction if you need to maximise In the direction of a 300b or some triode, vs the EL34, push pull power vs lower powered SET.

None of these compares is going to get you there and will only cost you money to try different amps. Comparing Kondo ongaku here with a VTL preamp on your pendragon will be a waste of Kondo.

If you really want to find out what 300b or Kondo or some such amps can do, listen to a set up optimized for those. If the midrange, weight, EE, and all those things important to you are better in that set up, change your speaker and electronics accordingly. The whole shebang.

As a proxy, you can visit Rhapsody Dallas and listen to Kondo on Diesis and on Alxyvox (ribbons), and ship your Jadis over before your trip to compare on both Diesis and on Alsyvox.

 

[morricab]

What are you going to get out of this except multiple amp compares, which will only isolate some amps and favor those better matched to your speaker and pre. What you seem to seek is a generic direction if you need to maximise In the direction of a 300b or some triode, vs the EL34, push pull power vs lower powered SET.

None of these compares is going to get you there and will only cost you money to try different amps. Comparing Kondo ongaku here with a VTL preamp on your pendragon will be a waste of Kondo.

If you really want to find out what 300b or Kondo or some such amps can do, listen to a set up optimized for those. If the midrange, weight, EE, and all those things important to you are better in that set up, change your speaker and electronics accordingly. The whole shebang.

As a proxy, you can visit Rhapsody Dallas and listen to Kondo on Diesis and on Alxyvox (ribbons), and ship your Jadis over before your trip to compare on both Diesis and on Alsyvox.

Why would he compare on speakers other than his own?? That makes no sense what you are proposing.

 

[bonzo75]

Eeesh . . . Now that I am back to thinking midrange magic I'm thinking maybe I should consider Thrax Spartacus 300B.

It is quite flawed thinking that an amp which has good midrange, will produce that midrange if it is matched to a speaker on which it does not have good headroom and drive. You should feel that the girl on the guitar is opening her mouth, letting her voice soar, and the inflections in her throat need to be heard.

 

[bonzo75]

Why would he compare on speakers other than his own?? That makes no sense what you are proposing.

He should on his own. But if he cannot swing it to do on his own speaker. Thought that was obvious.

And he shouldn’t compare inappropriate amps on his speakers and make a judgement about them

 

[Sampajanna]

Whatever you choose, I must say I am enjoying reading about the process and developments Ron. I wish you well on this journey!

 

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