SAT Direct Drive Turntable!
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Do you see value for the money in any high-end product?
You are a happy person, I only see value for the subjective sound quality ...
Laws of physics don't change because of some bullshit claims in a press release! But you're welcome to bury your head in the sand
.david
Laws of physics don't change because of some bullshit claims in a press release! But you're welcome to bury your head in the sand
david
I was at lake maggiore this weekend near Milan, saw Francisco there. I had asked him to go to Milan to listen to Pietro's yamamura to start a horn tour but on the way here he was
Laws of physics don't change because of some bullshit claims in a press release! But you're welcome to bury your head in the sand
david
Surely - when we know of the laws of physics and the laws of psychoacoustics we must keep an open mind. As I always tell people, when in know the laws of physics in some depth we immediately find real life is more complicated then what is written in high-end press releases.
Anyway, better burying the head in sand than steel - the laws of physics will explain you why ...
You can break your head with steel but not get it buried in it like sand, laws of physics againSurely - when we know of the laws of physics and the laws of psychoacoustics we must keep an open mind. As I always tell people, when in know the laws of physics in some depth we immediately find real life is more complicated then what is written in high-end press releases.
Anyway, better burying the head in sand than steel - the laws of physics will explain you why ...
!david
Just wanted to make sure that you don't try and hurt yourselfWho said buried in it like sand? Please keep an open mind and use some extra physics ...
.david
Try wearing his plinth he claims that it does miraclesBe assured I will ask Mark Gomez to build me a thermal shield/helmet before plunging my head in molten steel!
!david
The plinthed crusader SATMAN joins the new comic Marvel universe. Here is the trailer for the upcoming movie ‘SATMAN - The Plinth of the Infinity Stone’. (price of admission TBA)Try wearing his plinth he claims that it does miracles
david
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the rich have to bleed to get street cred....
smart marketing....
smart marketing....
When you are old and everything sounds the same, this is one way to do it
I have been watching this thread with interest. Not because I am going to buy an. SAT - even if I had the money I'm not sure I'd buy an UBER deck - not because they are not wonderful.
Can I say in defence of Michael Fremer this, and I am saying this from the perspective of a defence lawyer.
1. Fremer was welcomed to the forum
2. He is a well known journalist who is very much one of the faces of high end audio - in particular analogue
3. Within moments of the thread to discuss the merits of a component member after member have made loaded and in some cases direct attacks on Fremers integrity
4. The nature of people when spoken about and when backed into a corner is that they come out swinging, and that's what MF did
Think upon this.
At a car launch the likes of Jeremy Clarkson et al get invited, they like it, they are paid for it, they buy it, they get a discount. So what? They have perhaps both conscious and unconscious bias.
This is supposed to be WBF - an elite society of audiophiles - surely at that stratospheric level the audiophiles have ears golden enough to make up their own minds as to whether something is good or not. You don't go listening to a SAT at Audio Salon in the same way someone drives past a Porsche garage. High end audio is a niche populated largely by people who ought to be able to make up their own minds. Do they really need approval from Fremer to enjoy what it is they have bought? Is that what having a great system is about - the approval of ones peers - surely that defeats the whole purpose of listening to music.
In relation to those few people who have more money than sense who know of Fremer and who just want to throw the money about and get Kudos from Fremer (if indeed he is so Machiavelan) then 'good for them - they surely shouldn't be even listening to something of this calibre because they can't tell the difference between a Rega Planer 2 and an SAT - as such what is the negative impact of the endorsement?
Many a manufacturer can't make financial ends meet - and a failure to take a commercial approach means that businesses can die. These guys need to make sales to make the kind of component that we find in this forum.
Remember MF is a just a reviewer - and he gives us a good starting point
Can I say in defence of Michael Fremer this, and I am saying this from the perspective of a defence lawyer.
1. Fremer was welcomed to the forum
2. He is a well known journalist who is very much one of the faces of high end audio - in particular analogue
3. Within moments of the thread to discuss the merits of a component member after member have made loaded and in some cases direct attacks on Fremers integrity
4. The nature of people when spoken about and when backed into a corner is that they come out swinging, and that's what MF did
Think upon this.
At a car launch the likes of Jeremy Clarkson et al get invited, they like it, they are paid for it, they buy it, they get a discount. So what? They have perhaps both conscious and unconscious bias.
This is supposed to be WBF - an elite society of audiophiles - surely at that stratospheric level the audiophiles have ears golden enough to make up their own minds as to whether something is good or not. You don't go listening to a SAT at Audio Salon in the same way someone drives past a Porsche garage. High end audio is a niche populated largely by people who ought to be able to make up their own minds. Do they really need approval from Fremer to enjoy what it is they have bought? Is that what having a great system is about - the approval of ones peers - surely that defeats the whole purpose of listening to music.
In relation to those few people who have more money than sense who know of Fremer and who just want to throw the money about and get Kudos from Fremer (if indeed he is so Machiavelan) then 'good for them - they surely shouldn't be even listening to something of this calibre because they can't tell the difference between a Rega Planer 2 and an SAT - as such what is the negative impact of the endorsement?
Many a manufacturer can't make financial ends meet - and a failure to take a commercial approach means that businesses can die. These guys need to make sales to make the kind of component that we find in this forum.
Remember MF is a just a reviewer - and he gives us a good starting point
Really. I find Fremer one of the few reviewers that likes speed, attack, tone and dynamics and listens to modern music a well as classics. He is similar to my tastes of what music is supposed to sound like and how to enjoy it. I just don't have his budget
then again, you are probably correct - polar opposite to most members here where blue note and mofi reissues abound.
I refer more to the people who don't like mofi (like me), and many of them are tube/horn/SXL etc... We've got a mix, but according to Ked we've got a bunch of blue pillars that just haven't seen the light......
Given the aging audiophile population thing we instinctively avoid walking towards the light...
I respect Fremer the most among reviewers (in analog) and try to make it a point to audition his positives. I don't need to agree with him just use as a reference so I use his negatives as a caution if on first look I like something, or find something new that he has rated positively. He is also very quick and straightforward in responding to queries. He is also known to be an excellent set up guy by people with loads of experience in the analog world. And yes, theoretically it would be Art Dudley or 6 moons who would be closer to my non-analog equipment taste but I prefer him
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