I was responding to Ron who was wondering about how their grounding devices remove noise. What the patent conveyed was that they use one of same proven technologies found in their highly regarded power conditioners. That in itself was helpful to know, which is why he responded the way he did.
Along with the patent link I also provided a quote from their website that mentions their proprietary ZrCa-2000. I did that because I agree with you that the patent didn’t go far enough. But the patent did reveal more than many do. My remark back to you was meant as a playful jab, which is why I included a smiley face.
Same thing for the Shunyata, Synergistic, etc., power conditioners. It seems like the Altaira users are 'grounding' their CGS/SGS units to their Everest or Denali rather than directly to the earth or house ground?
Hi Keith,
Yes, the guidance from Shunyata is to connect the 7th terminal of an Altaira hub to the GP-NR terminal(s) of a Shunyata power distributor.
This GP-NR terminal on the power distributor ultimately makes a connection to "earth ground" via the power cord that is connected from the wall AC receptacle to the Shunyata power distributor (that's what the "ground pin" on a power cord is for).
For folks that don't use a Shunyata power distributor, there is an AC wall adapter cable that can be used to make a proper connection from an Altaira ground hub's 7th terminal to earth ground, as shown in the diagram below. The connection to earth ground would be made using the AC wall adapter cable from Shunyata to the wall AC receptacle's "ground pin socket".
Shown here is a diagram from Shunyata's documentation showing a segmented system using 3 Altaira hubs (where the guidance is to use the Signal Ground (SG) hubs) showing 7th terminal (earth ground) connections from "segmented" hubs to the GP-NR ground terminal of a Shunyata power distributor, in this case, a Denali.
Once again....folks really need to read ALL the literature on the Altaira system that is provided by Shunyata.
Daisy chaining via the Altairas 7th terminal to the GP-NR terminal on the Shunyata power distributor provides the requisite functionality. There is almost always more than one way to mediate a transfer function.
The GP-NR terminal on the power distributor (that the 7th terminal on the Altairas connect to) makes a connection to earth ground via the power distributor's AC power cord. These connections provide a low impedance path from the Altaira hubs ultimately to (earth) ground.
Altaira isn't a grounding solution. It's a system that removes noise from the ground plane.
Have you guys read all the information provided by Shunyata on this system, yet?
There are several audio power distribution strips that offer star-grounding. It looks to me as though Shunyata believed that a different/better approach was needed for reducing ground-plane noise. Reducing cross-contamination appears to be an important part of their approach, given the segmented approach they espouse. The proof is in the pudding.
There are several audio power distribution strips that offer star-grounding. It looks to me as though Shunyata believed that a different/better approach was needed for reducing ground-plane noise. Reducing cross-contamination appears to be an important part of their approach, given the segmented approach they espouse. The proof is in the pudding.
I agree about the pudding. I also agree about the segmentation approach of Shunyata’s (as it is consistent with their Denali and Everest power handling philosophy). What I was agreeing that I did not get was the pigtailing from Altaira to Altaira rather than running each Altaira back to ground on the Denali power conditioner independently, as I thought was Kingrex pov mentioning a star ground type approach.
The later approach with Denalis but without Altairas was what I was told would be an improvement.
I agree about the pudding. I also agree about the segmentation approach of Shunyata’s (as it is consistent with their Denali and Everest power handling philosophy). What I was agreeing that I did not get was the pigtailing from Altaira to Altaira rather than running each Altaira back to ground on the Denali power conditioner independently, as I thought was Kingrex pov mentioning a star ground type approach.
The later approach with Denalis but without Altairas was what I was told would be an improvement.
A number of the Shunyata power distributors e.g., Denali ( as well as Gemini, Venom V16, Alpha A12 & Sigma S12) only have 1 GP-NR terminal on the rear panel.
The figure above is simply practical way to connect the ground cables from the 7th terminal of mutiple Altairas together (e.g. when used in a segmented hub system) using a single ground cable from one of the Altairas to the Denali's (or other Shunyata PDs) GP-NR ground terminal; this protocol provides that requisite functionality.
Because there is no "signal", these connections are a low impedance path to "ground", and this connection methods functions as it should for this application.
If have an Everest, which has four GP-NR terminals, you can connect each Altaira hub to it's own GP-NR ground terminal on Everest.
A number of the Shunyata power distributors e.g., Denali ( as well as Gemini, Venom V16, Alpha A12 & Sigma S12) only have 1 GP-NR terminal on the rear panel.
The figure above is simply practical way to connect the ground cables from the 7th terminal of mutiple Altairas together (e.g. when used in a segmented hub system) using a single ground cable from one of the Altairas to the Denali's (or other Shunyata PDs) GP-NR ground terminal; this protocol provides that requisite functionality.
Because there is no "signal", these connections are a low impedance path to "ground", and this connection methods functions as it should for this application.
If have an Everest, which has four GP-NR terminals, you can connect each Altaira hub to it's own GP-NR ground terminal on Everest.
I agree, what is shown in the diagram is only one way to unify the ground plane.
Since last year, having tested (multiple times) both scenarios, 1) daisy-chaining 2 Altaira SG units, then connecting to Everest (and Triton v3) versus 2) point to point in a star to Everest or Triton v3, I have heard no audible difference between either approach (using these cables for CG and SG purposes: all Delta, then mix of Delta & Alpha, then mix of Alpha & Sigma and lately, all Sigma with VTX-Ag connects wherever needed).
I agree, what is shown in the diagram is only one way to unify the ground plane.
Since last year, having tested (multiple times) both scenarios, 1) daisy-chaining 2 Altaira SG units, then connecting to Everest (and Triton v3) versus 2) point to point in a star to Everest or Triton v3, I have heard no audible difference between either approach (using these cables for CG and SG purposes: all Delta, then mix of Delta & Alpha, then mix of Alpha & Sigma and lately, all Sigma with VTX-Ag connects wherever needed).
That's because the different configurations you tried, Mark, from a physics perspective, all mediate the same transfer function.
An analogy would be comparing the wing of an airplane and the wing of a bird. From a physics perspective, even though they represent different "design embodiments", they both mediate the same transfer function, and thus, produce exactly the same functional response: the generation of aerodynamic LIFT.
Physics doesn't "care" about the distinctions between different design embodiments. It's all about....the transfer function, y=f(x).
I think most every ground box manufacturer recommends multiple units. A segmented approach so to speak.
I have not really dug into all the options, but in a general sense I believe I have noticed the ones that use a compound of crystals don't go to earth. The ones that use some other approach do. I find that interesting.
I think most every ground box manufacturer recommends multiple units. A segmented approach so to speak.
I have not really dug into all the options, but in a general sense I believe I have noticed the ones that use a compound of crystals don't go to earth. The ones that use some other approach do. I find that interesting.
Yes. I believe it is because, as Caelin Gabriel himself has commented, (I paraphrase) each and every wire, filter, strategy grabs a little more noise and pulls it away from our kit, our listening experience. You simply can’t get it all, or all with one strategy. It’s kind of an endless pursuit to excellence.
Since the beginning of the year, I have tried out over 200 fuses and jitter/LAN products in various systems. As I already wrote in another thread, the QSA Gold fuses were the best that I tested.
The QSA AC and LAN Jitter Gold connectors are also among the best. Only the SCHNERZINGER LAN and GRID PROTECTOR were superior to the QSA LAN and AC cleaners.
I have been working intensively with products to eliminate electrosmog for several years. I started with grounding products from SHUNYATA, ENTREQ, TELOS and Synergistic. By now I think I've tried pretty much all ESMOG products in the hi-fi sector. From $40,000 products in elegant cases to energetically treated glass pyramids for $100.
My conclusion: ESMOG is the biggest sound destroyer in the audio sector. In times when radio-controlled transmission technology (Wifi, mobile phones, groundings, etc.) is becoming more and more advanced - and with it the ESMOG load in the living area, a good and, above all, functioning overall concept for the elementation of ESMOG is becoming an elementary factor for good sound.
I have been working intensively with products to eliminate electrosmog for several years. I started with grounding products from SHUNYATA, ENTREQ, TELOS and Synergistic. By now I think I've tried pretty much all ESMOG products in the hi-fi sector. From $40,000 products in elegant cases to energetically treated glass pyramids for $100.
My conclusion: ESMOG is the biggest sound destroyer in the audio sector. In times when radio-controlled transmission technology (Wifi, mobile phones, groundings, etc.) is becoming more and more advanced - and with it the ESMOG load in the living area, a good and, above all, functioning overall concept for the elementation of ESMOG is becoming an elementary factor for good sound.
The Schnerzinger GIGA CANCELING PROTECTORS dramatically show how important the elimination of ESMOG is for the sound of the music system. In 40 years of working with high-end music systems, I have never experienced such an extreme improvement in the sound of my music system as with the SCHNERZINGER GIGA CANCELING PROTECTORS. These Schnerzinger ESMOG PROTECTORS show that the elimination of electrosmog is the absolute priority when improving HIFI facility should be granted.
The Schnerzinger GIGA CANCELING PROTECTORS dramatically show how important the elimination of ESMOG is for the sound of the music system. In 40 years of working with high-end music systems, I have never experienced such an extreme improvement in the sound of my music system as with the SCHNERZINGER GIGA CANCELING PROTECTORS. These Schnerzinger ESMOG PROTECTORS show that the elimination of electrosmog is the absolute priority when improving HIFI facility should be granted.
