Speakers for Kondo Ongaku... Please Help

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I agree,use the Ongaku with a good fast preamp and be prepared to a completely different experience.This wakes up the amp.I used my Ongaku with relative normal efficiency speaker 90db and rated 8 ohm and it was more than enough,but it all relative,all depends how big your room is ,how load you listen.

Yes,Ongaku are very expensive,but I would never sell mine,even if I hardly use it anymore.The rated 27 watts is very very optimistic,on a very good day 19 watts,that is at 3% thd.The output stage could give you maybe 24 watts but the driver stage just can’t provide the power to drive the grids deep into class A2( grid positive). A single 5687 as a cathode follower is way too small for that.

It is more important too look at a stabe impedance than pure sensitivity,Great would be 92-95 db with very stable impedance,not lower than 6 ohms and no difficult electrical phase angles.

please remember,the watts of a single ended tube amp always sound much morepowerful.I am now running a 48 watt,single ended 212 amp,that I build myself.It sound way stronger and powerful than my Accuphase A250 class A monoblocks .Also never underestimate,if you got very little noise at 90db on normal speakers with 95 db speakers that noise is very disturbing.That is why I use DC on my heaters On my 212 amp.I am also looking for high sensitivity speakers,but also don’t want to spend too much but also I don’t want them to be as big as a removal truck .

I is very difficult nowadays to listen to the right speakers, many people are just very reluctant since Corona.

keep us informed,will be very interesting
What is a "fast" preamp. Just want to understand your context of a fast pre amp. Is it pretty much the same as when people describe a cartridge "fast?" What brand is a not fast pre amp you found?
 
The kondo is highly colored compared to the airtight. The overture is just a poor amp. The ongaku and kagura are among the most overpriced things in hifi.

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This is too absolutist. You are omitting the usual qualifiers about "in my personal, subjective opinion" and "in this particular system with the following particular associated components, etc."

On the ribbon panels of the Genesis Technologies 1.1 I loved the Kondo Kagura. I also liked the Kondo at Rhapsody.
 
This is too absolutist. You are omitting the usual qualifiers about "in my personal, subjective opinion" and "in this particular system with the following particular associated components, etc."

On the ribbon panels of the Genesis Technologies 1.1 I loved the Kondo Kagura. I also liked the Kondo at Rhapsody.

That's a silly statement if you want people to write it for their personal posts.

The Vitus was much better than the kondo at Rhapsody on Magico.

I can't help out if you cannot hear the kondo under driving these speakers and the coloration. It is one of the most rose tinted products. Maybe the old kondo were good, most who used that don't like the new ones. I have also heard the kagura at its best lack of dynamic range on apogee diva, the ongaku compared to absolare on the top Diesis, and the ongaku on the smaller living voice. This is not at shows.

Audio note is similar, even a KT88 integrated from KR audio is quite better than the audio note jinro.

The real good thing is the Japanese AN IO field coil cartridge. And the AN 2a3 amps. I haven't heard the kondo 2a3 amps they might be good

I do accept that a 211 amp will be much more improved adding Amperex or United or WE 242c, but if people prefer it with stock tubes the kondo should suffice only those who listen to audiophile female type music.
 
That's a silly statement if you want people to write it for their personal posts.

The Vitus was much better than the kondo at Rhapsody on Magico.

I can't help out if you cannot hear the kondo under driving these speakers and the coloration. It is one of the most rose tinted products. Maybe the old kondo were good, most who used that don't like the new ones. I have also heard the kagura at its best lack of dynamic range on apogee diva, the ongaku compared to absolare on the top Diesis, and the ongaku on the smaller living voice. This is not at shows.

Audio note is similar, even a KT88 integrated from KR audio is quite better than the audio note jinro.

The real good thing is the Japanese AN IO field coil cartridge. And the AN 2a3 amps. I haven't heard the kondo 2a3 amps they might be good

I do accept that a 211 amp will be much more improved adding Amperex or United or WE 242c, but if people prefer it with stock tubes the kondo should suffice only those who listen to audiophile female type music.
The Kondo Souga which is 2a3 is sublime. Driving a pair of YG carmel was one of the best simple systems I have heard.
 
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@bonzo75 May be next time you express whatever that we fully know it is of course only your opinion, you should make foot note, reference, etc. ;)

@ddk. You probably have to make foot note every comment you make. :D
 
This is too absolutist. You are omitting the usual qualifiers about "in my personal, subjective opinion" and "in this particular system with the following particular associated components, etc."

On the ribbon panels of the Genesis Technologies 1.1 I loved the Kondo Kagura. I also liked the Kondo at Rhapsody.
Isn’t it implied that it’s his opinion? Using “imo” is duplicative on any audio forum.
 
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Isn’t it implied that it’s his opinion? Using “imo” is duplicative on any audio forum.

I think Ron takes my opinions as facts otherwise. Good for him. If he could not hear the short comings of the kagura, his opinion is suspect, imo
 
The Kondo Souga which is 2a3 is sublime. Driving a pair of YG carmel was one of the best simple systems I have heard.

That's the magic of the valve. It requires a very simple circuit and is a great valve. Any good local DIYer can make you a good 2a3. Did you compare the kondo 2a3 to any other 2a3 amp, like new audio frontiers, for example?
 
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Kondo’s own G70….. insanely fast and powerful pre amp. Did head to head comparison versus FM Acoustic Reference preamp, Pilium pre amp and Airtight pre amp combined with Ongaku OR ATM-2211 OR Overture Power Amplifier…… NOT even a fair comparison, Kondo G70 is miles ahead BETTER (At least with the provided electronics mentioned above), not only me said that but 4 other guys who happened to be in the room also said the same thing.

FM Acoustic preamp in most circumstance must pair up with their own poweramp, the gain of the FMA preamp is too overwhelming, it will cause overload to most amp unless it has a "variable" gain switch (like the FMA amplifier).
 
Kondo’s own G70….. insanely fast and powerful pre amp. Did head to head comparison versus FM Acoustic Reference preamp, Pilium pre amp and Airtight pre amp combined with Ongaku OR ATM-2211 OR Overture Power Amplifier…… NOT even a fair comparison, Kondo G70 is miles ahead BETTER (At least with the provided electronics mentioned above), not only me said that but 4 other guys who happened to be in the room also said the same thing.
Have you heard Aries Cerat preamps...might give the G70 a fair fight at least...
 
FM Acoustic preamp in most circumstance must pair up with their own poweramp, the gain of the FMA preamp is too overwhelming, it will cause overload to most amp unless it has a "variable" gain switch (like the FMA amplifier).
Not saying that G70 is the best amongst them all with all things equal….but with the given circumstances it was.
 
Have you heard Aries Cerat preamps...might give the G70 a fair fight at least...
This is the one brand that I have great interest in. One of these days I gotta own the DAC or the Phono but not today. Today I am looking at keeping my Kondo Ongaku + G70 and looking for a matching speakers.
 
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That's the magic of the valve. It requires a very simple circuit and is a great valve. Any good local DIYer can make you a good 2a3. Did you compare the kondo 2a3 to any other 2a3 amp, like new audio frontiers, for example?
I didn't but it was so good that some 10 years later, it still sticks in mind vividly.
 
I didn't but it was so good that some 10 years later, it still sticks in mind vividly.

Have you heard other good 2a3? You should get speakers that can work on one (YG can't, so you will only like it much more)'
 
Have you heard other good 2a3? You should get speakers that can work on one (YG can't, so you will only like it much more)'
I don't recall. Yes, I expected YG not to work at all with the Souga so I was pleasantly surprised. I agree that other brands would probably be even better.
 
I have Kagura driving the Diesis Romas OR Roma Triodes and I personally love the sound, not as a dealer, but as me loving music playing on the system. Definitely not under powered. In the past and when Ked heard my system I did not have the correct speakers for the Kaguras, now I do.

The Dallas RLR also has Kaguras driving Roma Triodes. Chris the owner of the Kagura/RT in Dallas loves the combination as well. Chris also has the 300B Gakuoh II monos that drive the RT.

I ask anyone that is interested in hearing these combinations please visit and then give your opinion.

A few opinions on this forum regarding Kondo vs. 40 years of Kondo creating and selling hundreds of Kondo systems internationally as well as right now hundreds of Kondo customers using Kondo gear with customers enjoying music through these systems is the flip side to the opinions of a few forum members opinions.

I respect Ked and anyone else's opinion but I also respect hundreds of Kondo users opinions that has been backed by them spending their $$$ on Kondo products.

These two system that Chris and I spent a boatload of our own $$$ on don't suck, imo.
 

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I didn't but it was so good that some 10 years later, it still sticks in mind vividly.
That is like an experience I had with the WAVAC HE-805 that I heard way back in 2006...it blew my mind and I still think about how unbelievably good it sounded at that time.
 
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kondo G-70 is great companion to ongaku but G-1000 is something else. I listened them side by side. G-1000 sounds more spacious, open and dynamic. same thing happened when I compared GE-10 to GE-1 and M7 phono.
 
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kondo G-70 is great companion to ongaku but G-1000 is something else I listened them side by side G-1000 is spacious, open and more dynamic. same thing happens GE-10 compared to G-1 and M7 phono.
Have you compared either or both of those to the M-77? THat was always the one I was kind of interested in. I had the M-7 for review many years ago and while it was OK with digital (my Silvaweld SWC 1000 was just as good for digital) it was absolutely stellar with vinyl (where it surpassed my Silvaweld combo for phono). If my system was primarily digital I think there are some real competitors out there (at least against the M-7) but for an "all-in-one" vinyl combo (also with the top Kondo stepup transformer) that was one of the nicest I had heard up to that point (now would have to consider the Aries Cerat Talos to be the best I have heard).
 

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