Why would I do this? To see if the videos resemble the real sound or not? Didn't you just say the videos you posted were representative of the system sounds?
You seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth.
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Why would I do this? To see if the videos resemble the real sound or not? Didn't you just say the videos you posted were representative of the system sounds?
You seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth.
I am thankful for you tube videos. I experience equipment i will never own or experience in person
When I traveled to audition the Horizon ,I certainly could not duplicate that experience with a video. Keep the videos coming. If your interest is piqued you can arrange a more intimate audition.
In an unrelated matter ,personal preference is importamt, maybe even paramount. The reproduction of real music is the standard. Because all systems fall short it is your call as to what you can live with out.
When I traveled to audition the Horizon ,I certainly could not duplicate that experience with a video. Keep the videos coming. If your interest is piqued you can arrange a more intimate audition.
In an unrelated matter ,personal preference is importamt, maybe even paramount. The reproduction of real music is the standard. Because all systems fall short it is your call as to what you can live with out.
No. I am saying compare videos to videos. The sound is representative, not exact. So you can't compare tone through your speaker to a tone through your headphone. Again, please, if you don't know what we do with videos, and what is representative, let's not have the same argument had many times before. If it was exact, we would have said this is the exact sound of the system playing.
Lol If you cant convince anyone with words , throw in the vids .
Bulgaria ' thats nothing i have done 4 jungle trips into.the amazon jungle /peru bolivia and equador , still couldnt find a good horn
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My system with vintage horns and a 15” vintage woofer, all driven by tubes, sounds similar to the Altec/tube video and nothing like the Wilson/solid state video. The Wilson/SS video sounds more like what I hear from similar systems at stores and shows. To that extent I would say the videos are consistent with my experience listening to actual systems.
If you have managed to get your cone/solid state system to sound more like the Altec/tubes video than the Wilson/solid state video, congratulations. There are obviously major differences among cone speakers and among SS amps just like there is among horn speakers and among tube amps. Evidently you have made good selections to get a more musical balance than the Wilson/solid state video.
I'm late to the party. I just listened to the three videos. The first one (Altec) is fantastic. The Wilson/CH doesn't compare. The third - the Analogue Productions tape marketing video was the worst.
I generally agree with all the comments. There is a lack of lower mids with the Wilson.
I recently auditioned Wilson XVX with Boulder electronics. I did not like it at all. Sounded similar to this video.
I generally agree with all the comments. There is a lack of lower mids with the Wilson.
I recently auditioned Wilson XVX with Boulder electronics. I did not like it at all. Sounded similar to this video.
Aah, that's great to know, thanks. Since you told me about the audition, now I have, to some extent, a more direct aural reference of what you were experiencing.
Do I understand correctly that the X2S2 is a model of Altec speaker - or is it a different brand using Altec?
And are you saying you heard these with solid state electronics and still like it - or did those electronics make it sound more like the Wilson video?
My muscles in the mirror are the same size as Ronnie Coleman's in a magazine pic (his pics are representative, mind you). It helps that none of the other posters have seen my body so they cannot counter this, and I am not posting pics unless I am paid 200 by the hour by multiple forum members
i try to steer clear of any video commentary. those who love video's, i say go enjoy yourself. no reason for me to question any of it. i do sample many of them and enjoy them. thank you. but when video lovers also try to paint broad 'negative' bush strokes with videos i draw the line.
certainly some types of systems are more room dependent than others. reflective energy from large dynamic speakers in live rooms require great care to control. and likely great care to properly do a video....too.
steer clear of trying to make negative cases with videos. there is no fair way to do it.
That's not entirely accurate. I am making the same negative and positive case I have heard with similar systems in person. In this case I am using video to supplement my text report
exactly.
you are using video as negative evidence. exactly what i refute as not legit.
steer clear of using it that way and we are golden. the burden of proof on the negative side is many magnitudes greater to make a case. so what if 1000 big dynamic speaker systems are tipped up? proves nothing we don't know already.
Yes but I have negative perceptions on the same attributes (plus more which do not come out in the video). I have already mentioned about their lack of coherence and midbass/bass in text before videos. So unless you say I should not paint negatives at all, or why I prefer such SETs horns to such cone based systems, which I don't think you is what you intend to say. What you are effectively then saying is that I should not supplement the above feedback with a video that ties in to the above observed and written feedback.
Tbh, forget the postive and negative. It is very easy to audition a Wilson system today for the crowd on this forum, and it is very difficult to audition the right horn systems. If you accept one video is better than the other, go out and investigate, then if you don't like it that's fine, but pointless to hide behind the video case for months on end without trying to investigate.
Luckily nobody is forced to buy anything in high end audio .
Some like a horn go buy one some like a wilson go buy one and apparently there are a lot more of the latter then the former.
Some like to DIY it all together , only one word " Just do it"
Certain horn lovers are just bad losers.
Critisize a horn and u get a endless discussion as to why your opinion is wrong
Some like a horn go buy one some like a wilson go buy one and apparently there are a lot more of the latter then the former.
Some like to DIY it all together , only one word " Just do it"
Certain horn lovers are just bad losers.
Critisize a horn and u get a endless discussion as to why your opinion is wrong
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i'm saying that video's are not a tool i respect for broad based negative evidence. it's like saying digital is better because it's more accurate at a moment in time. even if true it misses the mark.
i will agree that video's can be used to sway perceptions. but i hate that when used negatively.
do what you like, i've said my piece.
No it is not the same at all. It would be same if someone said I have heard many digital and many analog, and prefer analog, and why, and added videos to demonstrate the difference. I have heard CH with X2S2 and dCS, pretty similar to the video.
"my armchair view"?? What arrogance. You should acknowledge what Rhapsody posted above (and which oh so many others have posted here and elsewhere); these system videos are (almost) worthless at accurately representing a system's sound quality. They may be useful or informative in other ways, but not for assessing or comparing sound quality.
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