State of the industry - Roy Gregory Editorial

[Mike Lavigne]

does every thread become a video thread?

i guess i just sell my house and my system and just buy a boat with a laptop. not a bad idea actually .i could buy a nice boat. no, not THAT nice. but nice.

 

[howiebrou]

I agree with this -- when I am at home. At home I find it annoying to listen to somebody talking or to watch a video of somebody talking.

But I discovered that in the car it is great to multi-task by listening to somebody talking. So if I'm not on the telephone while driving I am perfectly happy to listen to something else.

I think it is much an age related thing. My kids would never volunteer to read about something. They can watch YTers drone on for hours about a minecraft game. Go figure.

 

[andromedaaudio]

does every thread become a video thread?

i guess i just sell my house and my system and just buy a boat with a laptop. not a bad idea actually .i could buy a nice boat. no, not THAT nice. but nice.

Yes ,untill you and everybody else switch over to horns.

 

[Al M.]

Ok guys, now compare the same track with the Eggs - switched over to the 3k Altec.

Still sounds way off from the reference file:

This other Altec has a cheap boombox, brittle sound, very unpleasant. Can't listen to it. It reminds me a bit more of the previously posted Wilson system on other music, but not quite as bad.

The Eggs are also off from what it should sound like, a bit heavy and dull, as well as closed-in and compressed. But not as unlistenable.

 

[howiebrou]

does every thread become a video thread?

i guess i just sell my house and my system and just buy a boat with a laptop. not a bad idea actually .i could buy a nice boat. no, not THAT nice. but nice.

There are a few Oligarch boats going for a song...

 

[bonzo75]

does every thread become a video thread?

i guess i just sell my house and my system and just buy a boat with a laptop. not a bad idea actually .i could buy a nice boat. no, not THAT nice. but nice.

Why do you want the laptop when you get the boat - to post videos of you fishing?

 

[PeterA]

@ peter
Most systems are private systems .
And may be people like to keep it private .
There is a distinct difference by hearing something physical or on YT.
I have the impression some horn lovers want to spread the word.
Allmost a bit like JH witnesses

Andro, I think the issue is that brands, reviewers, and dealers will be spreading the word about their products increasingly over video. You are doing that too with your videos. It's marketing for your brand, and you are posting for comparison reasons too, to other speakers. Owners of these horn speakers are not really marketing stuff that is not readily available, nor do they profit from the sales or increased exposure which may lead to sales.

Yes, most of these systems are private, but some owners here share photos and descriptions with the members, but don't post videos, so it is not about privacy for them.

Some horn lovers like to spread the word, but I did just as much sharing with my old Magico system. When I started writing about the new system, people asked for system videos. Perhaps others are different. Some just read forums for information. Others participate more actively by commenting on posts. Still others share more. It all depends. The industry will be expanding into this space, some have already for years while others are catching up.

 

[bonzo75]

Still sounds way off from the reference file:

This other Altec has a cheap boombox, brittle sound, very unpleasant. Can't listen to it. It reminds me a bit more of the previously posted Wilson system on other music, but not quite as bad.

The Eggs are also off from what it should sound like, a bit heavy and dull, as well as closed-in and compressed. But not as unlistenable.

You do understand that all systems will be different from the reference? You are comparing two systems, not the reference. You don't get a system that sounds exactly like reference, when recorded with a mobile. So your compare to reference is flawed logic. It is like saying live sound is different. This is just giving a representation. Record the reference on your phone, post the video, then compare to the two systems, and compare the systems to each other

 

[Al M.]

You do understand that all systems will be different from the reference?

Of course.

You are comparing two systems, not the reference. You don't get a system that sounds exactly like reference, when recorded with a mobile. So your compare to reference is flawed logic. Record the reference on your phone, post the video, then compare to the two systems, and compare the systems to each other

It's still important to compare to the reference, since it allows you to make observations like the one I made in post #925.

Not posting the reference is the same problem as performing an experiment in science without proper control sample.

 

[bonzo75]

Of course.



It's still important to compare to the reference, since it allows you to make observations like the one I made in post #925.

Not posting the reference is the same problem as performing an experiment in science without proper control sample.

That's fine, question is how do the two systems compare to each other.

 

[Al M.]

That's fine, question is how do the two systems compare to each other.

Sure, but it's better to have calibration against a reference.

 

[andromedaaudio]

@ morricab
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the horn defines the low frequency cutoff, not the Fs of the driver .

Yeah right.
How can a driver produce a in phase signal well below the Free air resonance of the membrane / motor system ??

 

[MarcelNL]

I guess that many horns are not so big that driver Fs becomes a major factor and hence the horn dictates low freq cutoff, the FLH in my system cuts off at ~50Hz and I can measure around 35Hz in room, which is pretty much the Fs for the driver.

 

[rando]

These are rhetorical questions given a feasible modern twist which is almost certainly lacking shock value the cutting edge would have.



In the eyes of members here - does ability of print/online print audio coverage to fact check and publish thoughtfully compelling articles outweigh the instantaneous and potentially erroneous conclusions of live video that more closely resemble a forum environment?

Do you believe this forum could welcome participants inside a continuation of the same atmosphere if it transitioned to a video 'party line?'
Do you believe fomenting widespread adoption of news telecasting inside the audio press would improve their product?

Finally, do you think either entity could distinguish their efforts between distinct printed word and video formats while remaining successful? Even if quite provably a hybrid video allowed far superior cataloging and access to desired secondary information in sidebar/full frame with ability to input text overlay (comments stream/CC/translation/etc.) intelligently on each individuals screen. Today.




Consider what shape being college age and discovering local radio would take today. Certain times a day there are programs with invites to call in, openings allowing wider chances for requests to be honored in the short term as programming is assembled, and most certainly there is a communal energy you can tune into most any time of day tying everyone together. During a point in time large controlling interests have stripped the life force from every outlet continuously regulated by the local environment in decades previous to being squeezed out. Fair to middling chance a weekly paper or monthly newsletter pops up where daily conversation has been restored by that radio station if nothing crushes the works. The internet is a wild place for all this to happen uninterrupted.

 

[Aries Cerat]

Pardon the intrusion gents.
Just dropping this here ( headphones on )

 

[MarkusBarkus]

...in the case of a print mag, adding video "articles" to its online presence offers some challenges for sure, but also many opportunities.

The video channel would not need to be forum-like, posting user videos or even comments, although it likely would receive comments. The moderation aspect of that model is significant.

I view it as a way to "tighten" the relationship, giving voices and faces to reviewers. Clearly, not all reviewers would be comfortable with that, but the old guys can't stay forever in the past. BTW, full disclosure: I'm 64.

The value-add is more dimensionality of experience. Unboxing vids. In-room vids. Technical vids. All adding site stickiness, value to manufacturers, and secondarily, value to dealers, with the ability to develop tools to act as a conduit directly to dealers.

I did this in another market-space in the 90s, driving potential customers from web to dealers. That helps keep the mags relevant in print and online. Transcending/bridging media channels is important to remain relevant to modern users, IMO.

 

[Lee]

...in the case of a print mag, adding video "articles" to its online presence offers some challenges for sure, but also many opportunities.

The video channel would not need to be forum-like, posting user videos or even comments, although it likely would receive comments. The moderation aspect of that model is significant.

I view it as a way to "tighten" the relationship, giving voices and faces to reviewers. Clearly, not all reviewers would be comfortable with that, but the old guys can't stay forever in the past. BTW, full disclosure: I'm 64.

The value-add is more dimensionality of experience. Unboxing vids. In-room vids. Technical vids. All adding site stickiness, value to manufacturers, and secondarily, value to dealers, with the ability to develop tools to act as a conduit directly to dealers.

I did this in another market-space in the 90s, driving potential customers from web to dealers. That helps keep the mags relevant in print and online. Transcending/bridging media channels is important to remain relevant to modern users, IMO.

Yep.

As explained in some strategy posts earlier, all of this is in motion at Nextscreen. Even some really cool stuff I won't discuss.

 

[morricab]

Yep.

As explained in some strategy posts earlier, all of this is in motion at Nextscreen. Even some really cool stuff I won't discuss.

Lee, if you can get vid quality as good or better than what I put up (and Stavros put up) then I think videos can be good tools not just in a relative sense but also give an idea of a systems real potential...and this is useful to consumers.

 

[bonzo75]

Lee, if you can get vid quality as good or better than what I put up (and Stavros put up) then I think videos can be good tools not just in a relative sense but also give an idea of a systems real potential...

How? See how complex this recording gear is. Unless everyone uses it, there is no way to benchmark the recording. Then you are comparing microphones, all such recordings will sounds much superior to a mobile recording. In that case anyone with such mics will have very impressive gear. There are many channels on YouTube where all gear sounds stunning

Also, I have heard gear recorded professionally and compared in room it is seldom anywhere as impressive. Mobile recording sonic quality is leds but they are more representative.

I know you will disagree but do a mobile video of the same so that people can see the difference

 

[thedudeabides]

As this thread is getting to be one of those Charlie Chaplin type of scenes, it is only fair you join in by picking up a cake and throwing it at somebody.

No desire. Too much of that going in the world.