State of the industry - Roy Gregory Editorial

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Was Raidho like a trade in for the Wilsons with money or you actually researched and sought these?

Let us say they were a not requested arrival ...

 

[bonzo75]

No, my prices are low and were public - I advertised them in WBF and other european forums. The ridiculous offers I got stay private, as they are private correspondence. My cj GAT and LP275 monoblocks easily sold with a lower devaluation.

I will put the Lamm's again for sale soon.

The application of the other amps has a wider range of speakers, while the power that lamm has and the speakers it is used for is much narrower, especially on a SETs rich continent. Those who have very low watts SETs like 45, 2a3, 300b, will stay there, then are 211 and 845 that lamm could compete with, and then there are more powerful SETs with greater power and drive where required, though this is where SS and push pulls will be the most sought.

And if it was ML1 or 2 someone would take the punt, but the few in this power requirement range and that money will go kondo first, just because it's kondo.

All this might not be true but just trying to theorize because I think, therefore I am

 

[bonzo75]

Let us say they were a not requested arrival ...

Is the 5 ft requirement because you want the center channel to be identical to the L and R and fit under the screen?

 

[morricab]

The application of the other amps has a wider range of speakers, while the power that lamm has and the speakers it is used for is much narrower, especially on a SETs rich continent. Those who have very low watts SETs like 45, 2a3, 300b, will stay there, then are 211 and 845 that lamm could compete with, and then there are more powerful SETs with greater power and drive where required, though this is where SS and push pulls will be the most sought.

And if it was ML1 or 2 someone would take the punt, but the few in this power requirement range and that money will go kondo first, just because it's kondo.

All this might not be true but just trying to theorize because I think, therefore I am

I haven’t heard this model from Lamm. The ML2 is quite good...at least from my memory hearing it long ago. Perhaps the ML3 is not such a great price/performance option? There is some stiff competition in that SET power class for a lot less money

 

[microstrip]

I haven’t heard this model from Lamm. The ML2 is quite good...at least from my memory hearing it long ago. Perhaps the ML3 is not such a great price/performance option? There is some stiff competition in that SET power class for a lot less money

The LL1-ML3 combo has an extraordinary performance - I have no doubts on it. My only issue was the finding a matching speaker, according to my preference. IMHO it needs a speaker with an higher impedance than the XLF - let us say a minimum dip of 6 ohm.

 

[microstrip]

Is the 5 ft requirement because you want the center channel to be identical to the L and R and fit under the screen?

Surely no! Make it 5.4 ft.

 

[morricab]

The LL1-ML3 combo has an extraordinary performance - I have no doubts on it. My only issue was the finding a matching speaker, according to my preference. IMHO it needs a speaker with an higher impedance than the XLF - let us say a minimum dip of 6 ohm.

Aries Cerat Symphonia? Or perhaps Odeon Carnegie... I personally would buy the speaker to fit the amp based on my experience.

 

[microstrip]

Aries Cerat Symphonia? Or perhaps Odeon Carnegie... I personally would buy the speaker to fit the amp based on my experience.

What is the typical retail price of these speakers?

 

[morricab]

What is the typical retail price of these speakers?

I think the Aries Cerat starts at 85K (might be more now) depending on the finish. The Carnegie is 84K list.

 

[PeterA]

And my comment was more based on a OP about High End Audion. You know, quarter million to half million invested in a stereo. Yet the conversation turned to audiophiles spending their evening's listening to computer speakers replay some other persons system. Its just sort of amusing on the surface.

I didn’t notice people saying that they spend their evenings watching YouTube videos. I asked you if you thought your electrical improvements at framers house could be audible over a YouTube video which is a pretty interesting use of the format. I presume such dramatic improvement would be audible and the video could be used to supplement the written descriptions of what you did.

Anyway the conversation has gone from videos to Francisco’s system and matching speakers to his existing LAMM equipment. I guess selling used gear is an aspect of the state of the industry and how you sell it, but I’m reaching here.

 

[awsmone]

I tried to jump back into this and had to laugh that the state of high end audio is now supplemented by audiophile of the most ardent type spending their evening watching youtube video of other peoples systems. And making assessment of how great or bad the system is via the video. Its really quite entertaining on many levels from the outside.

Yep we are going to new levels, just looking at your avatar of your system, we can know there will be issues around 100hz

 

[awsmone]

I didn’t notice people saying that they spend their evenings watching YouTube videos. I asked you if you thought your electrical improvements at framers house could be audible over a YouTube video which is a pretty interesting use of the format. I presume such dramatic improvement would be audible and the video could be used to supplement the written descriptions of what you did.

Anyway the conversation has gone from videos to Francisco’s system and matching speakers to his existing LAMM equipment. I guess selling used gear is an aspect of the state of the industry and how you sell it, but I’m reaching here.

I confess I do watch you tube videos of music , but only a bit of systems.

‘’I spoke to largest audio store in Australia yesterday, you cannot demo anything, whether they cannot get stock, or it sells so fast it does to stay on the floor long enough
so how does one have any idea what 100k speakers sound like ? It’s a challenge

 

[Easy Gliders]

I confess I do watch you tube videos of music , but only a bit of systems.

‘’I spoke to largest audio store in Australia yesterday, you cannot demo anything, whether they cannot get stock, or it sells so fast it does to stay on the floor long enough
so how does one have any idea what 100k speakers sound like ? It’s a challenge

Is it possible to ask any of the audio dealers to try to bring you to an existing customer's place to listen to any gears you are interested in?
I am sure some customers don't mind that if the dealers have good relationships with them!

 

[awsmone]

Is it possible to ask any of the audio dealers to try to bring you to an existing customer's place to listen to any gears you are interested in?
I am sure some customers don't mind that if the dealers have good relationships with them!

Yeah that’s a good thought ….but it sort of explains the interest in videos, as 6 hour round trip each visit

 

[awsmone]

The LL1-ML3 combo has an extraordinary performance - I have no doubts on it. My only issue was the finding a matching speaker, according to my preference. IMHO it needs a speaker with an higher impedance than the XLF - let us say a minimum dip of 6 ohm.

What about Stenheim Alumine 3 small, and most of impedance above 6 with generally low phase angles, and very efficient between 91-94 db dependent on measurements and brilliant reviews
video is with 30 watt 300b amplifier

 

[Kingrex]

Yep we are going to new levels, just looking at your avatar of your system, we can know there will be issues around 100hz

I'm sure I have issues at multiple different hz. Some years back a dealer talked me into a Deqx Premate. The readout said I had some bad dips. Ultimately they could never dial my system in and I moved on.

I have a rail in place to hold a door that will close off my kitchen from the living room where the stereo is. I have been to busy to make the door. But I do have some old absorbers I made that I slide in front of the hole that makes a notable difference.

I was watching Axpona video tonight. I was a little disappointed Jay is only showing clips of rooms with the music running. I was hoping he would talk about the gear as well as give his opinion on what he hears. I can definitely hear differences from one room to another. I have 0 idea if it sounds good or not.

I also find it annoying when videographers are engaged in a conversation with a room demonstrator and they don't ask to turn the music down a little so the conversation can be heard. One in particular is the Aries Cerat room. Cool gear but hard to hear what the equipment is all about.

 

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What about Stenheim Alumine 3 small, and most of impedance above 6 with generally low phase angles, and very efficient between 91-94 db dependent on measurements and brilliant reviews
video is with 30 watt 300b amplifier

Thanks, I researched it some time ago: "The electrical phase angle (dashed trace) is generally low, but the EPDR (footnote 2) drops to 1.5 ohms at 35Hz and to 2.3 ohms between 152Hz and 170Hz; otherwise, it remains between 4 ohms and 12 ohms in the midrange and above." (from the Stereophile review)

It is why it looks sensitive, but it is not efficient. Unfortunately most manufacturer speaker claims on impedance are highly abusive - I have just measured the Raidho TD4.8 and it has dip down to 3.5 ohm in the bass - a review claimed "Raidho has made a high-end loudspeaker that is both an easy impedance load (mostly around 10ohms, with the occasional dip below eight ohms)" . I would write "with the occasional dip below four ohms" ...

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[dcathro]

Yeah that’s a good thought ….but it sort of explains the interest in videos, as 6 hour round trip each visit

Where are you located?

 

[Al M.]

Thanks, I researched it some time ago: "The electrical phase angle (dashed trace) is generally low, but the EPDR (footnote 2) drops to 1.5 ohms at 35Hz and to 2.3 ohms between 152Hz and 170Hz; otherwise, it remains between 4 ohms and 12 ohms in the midrange and above." (from the Stereophile review)

It is why it looks sensitive, but it is not efficient. Unfortunately most manufacturer speaker claims on impedance are highly abusive - I have just measured the Raidho TD4.8 and it has dip down to 3.5 ohm in the bass - a review claimed "Raidho has made a high-end loudspeaker that is both an easy impedance load (mostly around 10ohms, with the occasional dip below eight ohms)" . I would write "with the occasional dip below four ohms" ...

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All very tricky. How about Diesis open baffle speakers?

 

[awsmone]

Where are you located?

alon phalanx , are the field coils in these ?
funny I am coming to a Melbourne next weekend for my nieces birthday