State of the industry - Roy Gregory Editorial

trade-offs with the best stereo reproduction. and recording a real event in multi-channel is a mess mostly. but maybe they will figure it out. it has a higher theoretical ceiling.....that i will agree with.
I could be mistaken of course, but in this part of his response it appeared that micro was referring to digital vs. analog rather than stereo vs. multichannel
 
Also, mods will have an easier job once micro gets his quads
 
Awsmone ran an MCH system with CLX
 
Only a few heroic resistant fighters still debate it. Surely if limit
Have you really investigated the matter truly.
Is your A 80 completely 100 % revised , hence your question about caps you wanted to order
What tapes did you try ?
Okay digital is more convenient with a wide music choice available .
But tape and LP playback have the edge .
Last week i visited a dealer show with mola mola modern digital , while it sounded good , it couldnt beat the LP , i think most agreed on that who were there.

By the way i found the mola mola a great sounding pre with dac and phono stage included.

Regarding the state of the industry i hope i become wiser after spending 3 days at MOC in munchen
 
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Currently setting up temporary Raidho TD4.8's using the conrad johnson GAT2- ART monoblocks.

At this moment I still have hope that someone wants to buy my Lamm's - nothing I have read or listened encourages me to spend money on speakers for them. Unfortunately it seems that prospective buyers think the same ... :(
Goodness. In my Kharma phase, mating them with Lamms was a dream system for me. Funny how things change despite the stasis
 
How? See how complex this recording gear is. Unless everyone uses it, there is no way to benchmark the recording. Then you are comparing microphones, all such recordings will sounds much superior to a mobile recording. In that case anyone with such mics will have very impressive gear. There are many channels on YouTube where all gear sounds stunning

Not just microphones, you are comparing the entire possible effects that can be rendered in A/V. Your efforts are more honest. They present a snapshot which undoubtedly many of us are interested in seeing. Above the primary purpose of attempting to hear through the limitations of a recording of a recording.

Zero-Distortion is an interesting site when travel is possible. I hope you maintain this level of drive going forwards.

We should blank out the picture on the videos until people have publicly voiced their opinions. Then we can reveal whether they were listening to horns on not. That should separate the men from the minions.

This would be an excellent idea if it operated at a remove from what Ked advocates. Namely post processing and other trickery making audio/video more compelling than it was recorded. Plus, many phone cameras expect light and behave differently when it is blocked out. The downside of using a cellular device is a dedicated camera lacks the constant variety of running processes and background decisions that impact performance.

KISS is reasonably satisfied through video using one of the flagship phones everyone gravitated towards for a reason.
 
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Have you really investigated the matter truly.
Is your A 80 completely 100 % revised , hence your question about caps you wanted to order
Yes, revised and measured. Anyone knowing about A80's know the capacitors I asked are used in the motor switching decoupling and should be changed in preventive maintenance. I want to change them in the spare boards I have.

What tapes did you try ?
My best tapes are the Tapeproject collection.
Okay digital is more convenient with a wide music choice available .

Very true. If it was less convenient would you consider it immediately better? ;) The wide catalogue is a problem to comparisons - we do not have analog versions of the best digital. It is too complex for analog.

But tape and LP playback have the edge .
Last week i visited a dealer show with mola mola modern digital , while it sounded good , it couldnt beat the LP , i think most agreed on that who were there.

Ok, your opinion. IMHO you should tell the dealer to improve his digital system.
 
Maybe I should post some more videos before this turns into a digital vs analog thread.
 
My Munich 2019 write up which has 3 cones playing Royal Ballet LP, shows the Verity Audio as the most natural sounding. This is the feedback I received in 2019. This is what I can confirm was in person at the show for me. So, I posted those because they reflected the in room listening in show conditions that weekend. In fact that is the first time I ever recorded and playing back the various videos converted me to keep recording.


Note: On youtube it is very difficult to find cone systems playing Oistrakh, Heifetz, etc, or Beethoven, Schubert, etc - easy to find cuddly cuddly audiophile stuff. I hope some of these guys not only change their gear but also change what they listen to following these videos.

Thanks for the interesting link. Lots of quite good horn videos.

The Western Electric sounds good. No obvious horn colorations, at least taking into account the limiting circumstances of video. Don't know how that impression would hold up up close and personal, but it's promising. The second WE Jazz video has more bass than you commonly hear on a YouTube video, promising as well. Would he interesting to hear them in person. The scale of the presentation should be rather impressive. The vocal on the Vox Palladian sounds promising too, as does the Techdas AF0 system (not horny). The Kronzilla Blumenhofer sounds quite good, too.
 
Thanks for the interesting link. Lots of quite good horn videos.

The Western Electric sounds good. No obvious horn colorations, at least taking into account the limiting circumstances of video. Don't know how that impression would hold up up close and personal, but it's promising. The second WE Jazz video has more bass than you commonly hear on a YouTube video, promising as well. Would he interesting to hear them in person. The scale of the presentation should be rather impressive. The vocal on the Vox Palladian sounds promising too, as does the Techdas AF0 system (not horny). The Kronzilla Blumenhofer sounds quite good, too.

The WE 2019 was the best system I have heard.

My detailed comments of the show in reply to my write up are on this thread

Yes that blumenhofer in that short demo Ahmed good especially for the size and looks

 
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Quads will be better than the smaller WVL imo.

Yes recording is not big in MCH but I think for a digital guy MCH is great plus micro has stereo option. Very difficult to beat quads in realism except on macro slams and bass, but he is micro not macro
I have to agree about quads though I prefer 57s, and mine which are Restored have great slam , for timbral realism hard to beat , but they need the longer legs imho I will post a video soon to demonstrate
 
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i think it's entirely sufficient. but i'm no engineer, i'm just a consumer. choice of perspective.

for playback, yes. but music access, big forward steps. more music, to more people. that is progress.

having invested in a serious (dedicated Dolby 9.3.6 w/Trinnov processor) object based multi-channel system, i don't think you can say it's a more accurate way of reproducing the event. it's a different way, and when combined with visuals can do things that are very effective.

trade-offs with the best stereo reproduction. and recording a real event in multi-channel is a mess mostly. but maybe they will figure it out. it has a higher theoretical ceiling.....that i will agree with.

maybe the Wolf Von Lange or Tobian......for a 'not tall' speaker both seem to be interesting.
I have to agree with Mike, the one and only progress is music accessibility, these massive digital libraries makes so much accessible to everyone

as an example, Ked started banging on about Kogan records, well, I am no Discogs groupie, but I entered Kogans name into Quboz, and viola, at least 20 titles popped up , and some have become staples in my playback2A06F9E9-DF1E-4065-AC57-02F4E1CACBA9.jpg
 
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But my new fave is Augustin Hadelich

though I giggle at the videos where he accompanies himself on piano lol
 
Currently setting up temporary Raidho TD4.8's using the conrad johnson GAT2- ART monoblocks.

At this moment I still have hope that someone wants to buy my Lamm's - nothing I have read or listened encourages me to spend money on speakers for them. Unfortunately it seems that prospective buyers think the same ... :(
Maybe you ask too much for them?
 
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Currently setting up temporary Raidho TD4.8's using the conrad johnson GAT2- ART monoblocks.

At this moment I still have hope that someone wants to buy my Lamm's - nothing I have read or listened encourages me to spend money on speakers for them. Unfortunately it seems that prospective buyers think the same ... :(
Why the shift away from Wilson’s? I thought you were one of the brands biggest advocates here on WBF. Why do you call the Raidhos temporary...I thought that was a rather serious speaker.
 
Quads will be better than the smaller WVL imo.

Yes recording is not big in MCH but I think for a digital guy MCH is great plus micro has stereo option. Very difficult to beat quads in realism except on macro slams and bass, but he is micro not macro
I much preferred Acoustats compared to the numerous iterations of Quads, with the exception of stacked 57s. 63s and their later derivatives always lacked some transparency, which was always a major selling point for stats in the first place. The original 57 is much more transparent with gorgeous mids and fine resolution but was tonally unbalanced with weak bass...unless stacked.
 
I have to agree with Mike, the one and only progress is music accessibility, these massive digital libraries makes so much accessible to everyone

as an example, Ked started banging on about Kogan records, well, I am no Discogs groupie, but I entered Kogans name into Quboz, and viola, at least 20 titles popped up , and some have become staples in my playback

The gotcha here is EU catalog (licensing rights) is considerably more robust in acoustic genres. The US Qobuz catalog in rock and other genres mainstream listeners across the pond would like to have access to. You've made me curious enough to look over the wider offerings in AU.

I believe as well that we owe the aforementioned service a round of applause here. David Solomon's employees and everyone at their HQ in France have done a wondrous job stateside.
 
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