SuperHiRez DSD downloads...any one biting?

[jtinn]

What would you expect them to say?

The truth.

How many did you pay for?

All of them.

 

[Andre Marc]

The truth.



All of them.

Thanks for your response. Any particular titles stand out?

Would SuperHiRez ever consider releasing their sales figures, or at least a list of top sellers?

Frankly, I don't believe your second answer.

 

[Andre Marc]

Thanks Gary, I shall check those out!

Andre, wanna hear something really odd? It's easier for me to get new releases on LP here than quality CDs! I don't know where the local music stores get their CDs but in general those pressing plants should be rehabbed or shut down. US, UK, EU and JP imports are priced exorbitantly in the few specialty stores that are around. That's why I love my trips to Japan so much. In Hawaii there was a Borders near our house but now it's a big GAP outlet store. Slim pickin's at *gasp* Best Buy and *double gasp* Walmart! Hello Amazon.

Man, "Hello Amazon" is the understatement of the year!

I can't say I am happy about it, but the last time I bought a CD, or ANY music in a store, was maybe 4 years ago.

 

[Bruce B]

All of them.

 

[jtinn]

Thanks for your response. Any particular titles stand out?

Really, just check out the titles they offer. Most of them are fantastic and represent some of the greatest music ever recorded.

Would SuperHiRez ever consider releasing their sales figures, or at least a list of top sellers?

Andre, why would they ever waste their time and do that? I don't believe it is anyone's business and what would that number actually mean to anyone. I just went to the site and you can sort by top sellers.

Frankly, I don't believe your second answer.

Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. (Couldn't help myself)

All you need to do is look at my credit card statements and my music collection and you would eat your words. Thanks for publicly calling me a liar.

 

[Bruce B]

Doing more MCH illegal activity in my den of iniquity!!

 

[edorr]

Doing more MCH illegal activity in my den of iniquity!!

Do you actually have to play the full length of each disc to record the digital output stream of each SACD?

 

[Bruce B]

Do you actually have to play the full length of each disc to record the digital output stream of each SACD?

Yes I do.... it's a 1:1 transfer. VERY time consuming.
Then after that, I have to cut the files up into separate tracks and render out to .dsf

THEN... if a vendor wants different sample rates, I have to resample in another program.. usually Pyramix

 

[edorr]

Yes I do.... it's a 1:1 transfer. VERY time consuming.
Then after that, I have to cut the files up into separate tracks and render out to .dsf

THEN... if a vendor wants different sample rates, I have to resample in another program.. usually Pyramix

Have you considered going the PS3 based ripping route, or is this idea too offensive to your pro-audio sensibilities?

 

[Bruce B]

Have you considered going the PS3 based ripping route, or is this idea too offensive to your pro-audio sensibilities?

I did test for about a month, but the files are not exactly like they are on the disc. There were/are 2 problems.

1. The PS3 only looks at PQ markers. If the mastering engineer did his job correctly, then there are no problems. But what happens if there is a stop marker after the music and there is clapping or talking between the pieces? You don't get that with the PS3 And, if the PQ markers are slightly off, maybe a few seconds? Now it doesn't match up to the table of contents. Now for the worst of situations, If there is a marker and not a track marker. All told, I was running into this problem about 30% of the time.

2. The other problem is having clicks/pops between tracks. When you put the files back together in a workstation, you can clearly see where the waveforms do not match. This bug has not been fixed yet.

See my thread on "Ripping SACD's the Correct Way"

After that, I sold the 2 PS3's to Jtinn.... 'enuff said!

 

[Andre Marc]

Doing more MCH illegal activity in my den of iniquity!!


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Wow! I'm sending in Elliot Ness!!!

I'm doing DSD right now..Um, I mean playing an SACD on the new Marantz SA-14S1 player.

 

[Andre Marc]

I did test for about a month, but the files are not exactly like they are on the disc. There were/are 2 problems.

1. The PS3 only looks at PQ markers. If the mastering engineer did his job correctly, then there are no problems. But what happens if there is a stop marker after the music and there is clapping or talking between the pieces? You don't get that with the PS3 And, if the PQ markers are slightly off, maybe a few seconds? Now it doesn't match up to the table of contents. Now for the worst of situations, If there is a marker and not a track marker. All told, I was running into this problem about 30% of the time.

2. The other problem is having clicks/pops between tracks. When you put the files back together in a workstation, you can clearly see where the waveforms do not match. This bug has not been fixed yet.

See my thread on "Ripping SACD's the Correct Way"

After that, I sold the 2 PS3's to Jtinn.... 'enuff said!

Is that that like a bomb makers manual? LOL.

Actually, quite interesting Bruce. I was not aware that these were potential issues with SACD ripping with a PS3.

 

[edorr]

I did test for about a month, but the files are not exactly like they are on the disc. There were/are 2 problems.

1. The PS3 only looks at PQ markers. If the mastering engineer did his job correctly, then there are no problems. But what happens if there is a stop marker after the music and there is clapping or talking between the pieces? You don't get that with the PS3 And, if the PQ markers are slightly off, maybe a few seconds? Now it doesn't match up to the table of contents. Now for the worst of situations, If there is a marker and not a track marker. All told, I was running into this problem about 30% of the time.

2. The other problem is having clicks/pops between tracks. When you put the files back together in a workstation, you can clearly see where the waveforms do not match. This bug has not been fixed yet.

See my thread on "Ripping SACD's the Correct Way"

After that, I sold the 2 PS3's to Jtinn.... 'enuff said!

Interesting. May be I should just hire the pro to do the ripping for me. I presume the DSD -> PCM conversion using pro gear is also of higher caliber than doing it yourself using freeware....

 

[Bruce B]

Interesting. May be I should just hire the pro to do the ripping for me. I presume the DSD -> PCM conversion using pro gear is also of higher caliber than doing it yourself using freeware....

When you want electrical or plumbing work done... call the professionals!

 

[edorr]

When you want electrical or plumbing work done... call the professionals!

True story. I needed plumbing work done in rental. Figured I "call the licensed pro" to avoid insurance issues in case of leak. Handyman would do the job for peanuts. So I call the pro, they cannot quote me a price over the phone. Pro comes out quoting me $250 for installing shutoff valve and another $350 for dishwasher install (standard Sears fee is $150). I tell him to put the valve in. I'll get the handyman to install dishwasher for $100. The pro is literally in and out the door in 15 minutes. Cost of parts $10. I pay $250. He did had a supercool iPad app to put together the quote and invoice though.

Thenagain, I had super HVAC pro guys come out on Sunday doing great work for fair price.

Bottom line, call the wrong pro and you get royally screwed. Call the right pro, and you're fine. I figured out the formula. The wrong pro are large companies with salaried employees - no one giver a crap about anything. The right pro's are self employed, father and son type outfits.

Given the amount of work going into a single rip, the price you quoted seems eminently fair. You must be the right pro.

 

[Bruce B]

I recently obtained a vintage PS3, and have ripped over 20 classical SACDs and one (allegedly problematic) rock SACD in ISO mode. I have experienced neither problem that Bruce has brought up; the rips seem to be perfect. I just play back the ISOs themselves in Foobar. Even when resampled as 24/176400 PCM (I'm waiting to get a DSD DAC until I see more reviews), these files sound incredible.

Some have suggested that it's difficult to set up an old PS3 to rip SACDs. My PS3 had been out of the box for an hour when I began ripping.

I'm glad my 500+ SACD collection will live on as DSD files in the post-4.7" disc age, and I'm glad I don't have to shell out $25 for each of the DSD file equivalents of the many SACDs I bought.

I'm happy for you. Of course you don't see any of the problems.

1. If you compare to the Edited Master, you will see the differences.

2. Resampling the files puts a crossfade at the boundaries so you won't get ticks/pops

 

[Alrainbow]

I own a ps3 . And I have ripped my hole collection . My primary reason for this was to play my music that I purchased on what ever dap or dac I want. It is very easy and once done it was very cool to use the music on different dac,s now.
I have all my music ripped to wav on my krell music server. And now since I bought the MSB stack I have been playing my music using the disk,s on the UMT plus.
Computer audiophile is the place to get info. I have two units one is for games for my son and the other just for this purpose .

If someone here needs a little help if I can I am willing to help.

 

[mep]

I own a ps3 . And I have ripped my hole collection.

That sounds painful.

 

[Alrainbow]

Funny. Not really I do it after I have a few that I have bought new. At the time I did this I had only one way to plAy the sacd,s . It was with my denon 3910 and the denon 5805ci. It always sounded good but the dac is a few years old now and I have others I wanted to use. So this was the simple solution for me. And I have the imagines stored on two different nas drives in different homes and in raid 1 mirror . But I can play my music anywhere I want at the resolution I bought it in.

Al. D

 

[mep]

Here is the deal: I went to Chad's site last night and I downloaded the DSD version of Cat Steven's Tea For the Tillerman. I don't think it is a native DSD file. I think the source file was PCM.