SuperHiRez DSD downloads...any one biting?

Yes I'm sure it is. Unless he ripped it from vinyl ?? I have it too there is no hiss so I am guessing it is at least a PCM recording .

Al. D
 
Here is the deal: I went to Chad's site last night and I downloaded the DSD version of Cat Steven's Tea For the Tillerman. I don't think it is a native DSD file. I think the source file was PCM.

It's possible. Didn't they have the tape, when they mastered it for the latest vinyl release? They usually release these on SACD as well. I don't know why they would record it to PCM first. But who knows?
 
I was simple going by the age of the recording as not being dsd. And to me the hiss not being there just tells me it was not analog . Great music though and really clear to listen too. The title track is one I use for bass adjusting or comparison . It's very strong but if done correctly it's not boomy.
 
I was simple going by the age of the recording as not being dsd. And to me the hiss not being there just tells me it was not analog . Great music though and really clear to listen too. The title track is one I use for bass adjusting or comparison . It's very strong but if done correctly it's not boomy.

Well, this recording is too old to have been recorded digitally. Tape hiss is usually not very noticeable unless it was recorded in the 50's or early 60's. Probably due to noise reduction like Dolby, and better tape formulations.
 
Here is the deal: I went to Chad's site last night and I downloaded the DSD version of Cat Steven's Tea For the Tillerman. I don't think it is a native DSD file. I think the source file was PCM.

That is ridiculous. It came from the master and was done off of an Ampex ATR-102 that Mike Spitz took care of. I specifically remember Mike telling me about the project and how much fun he had. Why would you guys even start this?
 
I'm happy for you. Of course you don't see any of the problems.

1. If you compare to the Edited Master, you will see the differences.

2. Resampling the files puts a crossfade at the boundaries so you won't get ticks/pops

Ted B at AudioCircle (and elsewhere) posted that the PS3 rips don't have the track boundary problem until they are converted to PCM?
 
That is ridiculous. It came from the master and was done off of an Ampex ATR-102 that Mike Spitz took care of. I specifically remember Mike telling me about the project and how much fun he had. Why would you guys even start this?

JTinn-I'm glad you think it's ridiculous. I paid $24 for a DSD that sounds just like the 24/192 PCM version I bought from HD Tracks. I'm confident that the original source was the tape, but what digital stages it went through on the way to becoming the DSD I'm not so sure. The DSD version of Teal For the Tillerman doesn't sound like the rest of my DSD collection in terms of sounding like great analog. Chad's LP version blows the DSD file in the weeds.
 
JTinn-I'm glad you think it's ridiculous. I paid $24 for a DSD that sounds just like the 24/192 PCM version I bought from HD Tracks. I'm confident that the original source was the tape, but what digital stages it went through on the way to becoming the DSD I'm not so sure. The DSD version of Teal For the Tillerman doesn't sound like the rest of my DSD collection in terms of sounding like great analog. Chad's LP version blows the DSD file in the weeds.

I am shocked that you say that. My copy sounds incredible. Come visit, I'll play it for you :)

I believe Gus Skinas did this and you could always email him. Great guy and he will certainly be forthcoming with you.
 
I am shocked that you say that. My copy sounds incredible. Come visit, I'll play it for you :)

I believe Gus Skinas did this and you could always email him. Great guy and he will certainly be forthcoming with you.

Can you PM me his email address?
 
JTinn-I'm glad you think it's ridiculous. I paid $24 for a DSD that sounds just like the 24/192 PCM version I bought from HD Tracks. I'm confident that the original source was the tape, but what digital stages it went through on the way to becoming the DSD I'm not so sure. The DSD version of Teal For the Tillerman doesn't sound like the rest of my DSD collection in terms of sounding like great analog. Chad's LP version blows the DSD file in the weeds.

Do you know they used the same tape for both issues? Certainly not the same tape machine and that can make a big difference in SQ.
 
Do you know they used the same tape for both issues? Certainly not the same tape machine and that can make a big difference in SQ.

I have no idea of the provenance of the tapes used by HDTracks when they released their version. We all know that Chad sourced the real, no BS master tape for his LP release and I just checked his site and there are no other digital versions besides the DSD version for sale.
 
That is ridiculous. It came from the master and was done off of an Ampex ATR-102 that Mike Spitz took care of. I specifically remember Mike telling me about the project and how much fun he had. Why would you guys even start this?


NO, it is not ridiculous. George Marino, who mastered the SACD used a PCM convertor. He did this on many AP SACDs because he thought it sounded "better".

"Mastered by George Marino at Sterling Sound from the original analog master tapes to vinyl and PCM. The DSD was sourced from the PCM. George listened to all of the different A/D converters he had before he chose which to ... "

Guess you were not aware virtually all the George Marino Analogue Productions SACDs were PCM to DSD conversions, huh?

Maybe a bit of research before you make such a statement?
 
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I have no idea of the provenance of the tapes used by HDTracks when they released their version. We all know that Chad sourced the real, no BS master tape for his LP release and I just checked his site and there are no other digital versions besides the DSD version for sale.
From HDTRacks liner notes:

"We are so fortunate that Ted Jensen, who originally mastered Tea for the Tillerman, for compact disc, was available to do these hi res transfers. Ted was kind enough to share some information about the process:

“The tapes are in still excellent condition, the Dolby A encoded BASF tape used has held up very well compared with other formulations used in the mid 70’s and later. The tapes sound excellent. I’ve done no limiting or compression on these files at all. Playback was done on an Ampex ATR100, and the A/D converter was a prototype MSB unit that David Chesky was good enough to loan us.” - Ted Jensen, Sterling Sound
 
I am shocked that you say that. My copy sounds incredible. Come visit, I'll play it for you :)

I believe Gus Skinas did this and you could always email him. Great guy and he will certainly be forthcoming with you.

"Most desired titles will be made available (20th and 21st century) on DSD. I am already seeing it happening and mark my words, before the year is out, you will too. Sony, Warner, etc.
The transfers will most of the time be transferred (archived) from tape to DSD."

3 days left in the year Jtinn...where is my DSD flood? Remember your statement above? All I see is around 500 SACD rips for sale for
just as much as the manufactured disc with artwork.
 
"Most desired titles will be made available (20th and 21st century) on DSD. I am already seeing it happening and mark my words, before the year is out, you will too. Sony, Warner, etc.
The transfers will most of the time be transferred (archived) from tape to DSD."

3 days left in the year Jtinn...where is my DSD flood? Remember your statement above? All I see is around 500 SACD rips for sale for
just as much as the manufactured disc with artwork.

Have you not seen an increase in the number of available DSD files? Most of the titles I see here are analog recordings not SACD rips. Does it matter if it's 500 or 350 or so?. Don't forget the other labels also releasing DSD d/l.

http://store.acousticsounds.com/c/372/DSD_Download

What do you think the bottleneck is? How about the time to get the tapes (or other formats) and transfer them correctly? Why are you making a point out of being a year or 6 months off? Does it really matter?

Did you see CDs flooding the store shelves when the first Digital players were released? Hardly.
 
Have you not seen an increase in the number of available DSD files? What do you think the bottleneck is? How about the time to get the tapes (or other formats) and transfer them correctly? Why are you making a point out of being a year or 6 months off? Does it really matter?

Did you see CDs flooding the store shelves when the first Digital players were released? Hardly.
I was simply addressing JTinn's bold comment that there will be tens of thousands of DSD titles available...I have all his
prior posts book marked.

There IS no mass DSD archiving going on. The DSD files that are being released correspond to SACD releases. There WILL be some Sony
DSD downloads that were planned as SACD releases, but never done.

There are currently 205 titles on Chad's site.
 
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NO, it is not ridiculous. George Marino, who mastered the SACD used a PCM convertor. He did this on many AP SACDs because he thought it sounded "better".

"Mastered by George Marino at Sterling Sound from the original analog master tapes to vinyl and PCM. The DSD was sourced from the PCM. George listened to all of the different A/D converters he had before he chose which to ... "

Guess you were not aware virtually all the George Marino Analogue Productions SACDs were PCM to DSD conversions, huh?

Maybe a bit of research before you make such a statement?

So Jonathan, assuming what Andre said is correct, that validates my original question and what my ears told me to be true. Does this mean that Gus had nothing to do with this project or does he work for George Marino?
 

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