Sutherland Phono Stages

[rau]

I totally disagree. I had the Apheta 3 with the Sutherland TZ Direct and it worked perfectly. Initially I auditioned it with the Little Loco. I now use the Aphelion 2, which has practically the same specs as the Apheta.

I was told for transinpedence you want 10 ohm or less

 

[rau]

Picked up the Sutherland SUTZ for my other system , I'm using the mm on my VAC master huge upgrade . This is a great way to introduce transinpedence

 

[russe41]

+1 for Sutherland, I use the Phonoblocks with my Hanss T-60 and ZYX Ultimate 4D
and simply love it. You could spend more ,but why!

 

[keithc]

Picked up the Sutherland SUTZ for my other system , I'm using the mm on my VAC master huge upgrade . This is a great way to introduce transinpedence

Congrats!

What is the SUTZ? Layout looks like a Little Loco.

 

[rau]

Congrats!

What is the SUTZ? Layout looks like a Little Loco.

You plug it into the mm , you need a phono stage with mm

 

[Bbock]

I was told for transinpedence you want 10 ohm or less

This never came up in my discussions with Ron Sutherland. We focused on current and voltage. Doesn’t mean you are wrong. All I know is that both the Apheta 3 and the Aphelion 2 have worked perfectly with the unit.

 

[rau]

This never came up in my discussions with Ron Sutherland. We focused on current and voltage. Doesn’t mean you are wrong. All I know is that both the Apheta 3 and the Aphelion 2 have worked perfectly with the unit.

I honestly don't know just what I was told works best 10 ohm or under

 

[rau]

I honestly don't know just what I was told works best 10 ohm or under

Apheta 3 is 10 ohm

 

[Bbock]

Apheta 3 is 10 ohm

Yes, at the upper end of the 10 ohm range, but can’t detect any anomalies. My preamp volume control maintains a similar setting as when I had my Manley Steelhead as the phono stage.

 

[rau]

Yes, at the upper end of the 10 ohm range, but can’t detect any anomalies. My preamp volume control maintains a similar setting as when I had my Manley Steelhead as the phono stage.

I just verified with who told me , up to 10 ohm is best but carts up to 20 sound excellent also .

 

[Bbock]

I just verified with who told me , up to 10 ohm is best but carts up to 20 sound excellent also .

That’s good to know. Thanks!

 

[Bonesy Jonesy]

For trans-impedance input the lower the internal impedance of the cartridge, the higher the current from it.
Therefore as low as possible is the way to go i.e. in the ultra low 0.2 to 0.5 Ohms up to max say 2 Ohms if you really want to get the best advantages out of a trans-impedance input !
I would say 10 Ohms is way to high to fully benefit from a trans-impedance / current input.

 

[Bbock]

For trans-impedance input the lower the internal impedance of the cartridge, the higher the current from it.
Therefore as low as possible is the way to go i.e. in the ultra low 0.2 to 0.5 Ohms up to max say 2 Ohms if you really want to get the best advantages out of a trans-impedance input !
I would say 10 Ohms is way to high to fully benefit from a trans-impedance / current input.

Thanks for the info!

 

[Bbock]

Thanks for the info!

Just as an FYI, the Sutherland TZ Direct offers 3 internal options of output gain. I have left mine at the default”middle position”.

 

[rau]

Just as an FYI, the Sutherland TZ Direct offers 3 internal options of output gain. I have left mine at the default”middle position”.

Same here on my TZ seems to be best here to . I'm using a hayabusa cart on both

 

[rau]

Sutherlands new Linestage " VSL" suppose to be unbelievable also from what I heard .

 

[rau]

For trans-impedance input the lower the internal impedance of the cartridge, the higher the current from it.
Therefore as low as possible is the way to go i.e. in the ultra low 0.2 to 0.5 Ohms up to max say 2 Ohms if you really want to get the best advantages out of a trans-impedance input !
I would say 10 Ohms is way to high to fully benefit from a trans-impedance / current input.

Well said , my cart is 1.5

 

[Bonesy Jonesy]

Well said , my cart is 0.5mV .

You have quoted the output voltage not the internal impedance ! For trans-impedance inputs it's the internal impedance that is the more important parameter !

 

[paul79]

You have quoted the output voltage not the internal impedance ! For trans-impedance inputs it's the internal impedance that is the more important parameter !

Correct. The internal impedance of the Hayabusa I believe is 1.4 ohm.

 

[rau]

You have quoted the output voltage not the internal impedance ! For trans-impedance inputs it's the internal impedance that is the more important parameter !

My bad 1.5