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What was the recommended internal resistance of prior models? I've not seen them commit to a set figure.
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What was the recommended internal resistance of prior models? I've not seen them commit to a set figure.
There is more to consider besides impedance. The inductance, and also the overall output of the cartridge is also a consideration. Low impedance is typically just safe, but there are other instances when even over 20 ohms works well, and other instances when low impedance has too high inductance to work well with transimpedance designs (for example, moving iron types). It is best to consult with the dealer on which cartridges will work well.
The Dos Locos, is by far, Ron's greatest achievement to date, and it is doing things I have never heard another phono stage do. It is replacing some very expensive, and also other current input based phono preamps in manufacturers and in very high end systems and the like. Truly a special product that checks all the boxes, and has me realizing new boxes to check!
I am currently using the Benz TR, Dynavector XV1S, AT33 MONO, and Mutech Hayabusa. Also heard the Trans. Proteus work a treat in another system, as well as even the Benz Lp! There are so many more that also work well.
The Dos Locos, is by far, Ron's greatest achievement to date, and it is doing things I have never heard another phono stage do. It is replacing some very expensive, and also other current input based phono preamps in manufacturers and in very high end systems and the like. Truly a special product that checks all the boxes, and has me realizing new boxes to check!
I am currently using the Benz TR, Dynavector XV1S, AT33 MONO, and Mutech Hayabusa. Also heard the Trans. Proteus work a treat in another system, as well as even the Benz Lp! There are so many more that also work well.
After spending some time with the Sutherland Loco Dos I am very impressed.
I also own the JMF Audio 7.2 phono 25k retail and the Dos wipes the floor with the JMF at 1/3 of the cost . I ended buying another Sutherland Dos for my other system .
I also own the JMF Audio 7.2 phono 25k retail and the Dos wipes the floor with the JMF at 1/3 of the cost . I ended buying another Sutherland Dos for my other system .
Super helpful thread!
Couple questions that might help step up the performance of my analog setup - consisting of a Lyra atlas into a channel d 3.3.
Hoping someone has experience with channel d and the Sutherland dos locos or the tz - any material performance differences?
And , I can’t quite figure out the differences between the Sutherland tz and dos locos, other than if the box contains the pre and power supply (dos) or the box contains the pres or power supplies (tz). Price point is about the same. What am I missing ?
Couple questions that might help step up the performance of my analog setup - consisting of a Lyra atlas into a channel d 3.3.
Hoping someone has experience with channel d and the Sutherland dos locos or the tz - any material performance differences?
And , I can’t quite figure out the differences between the Sutherland tz and dos locos, other than if the box contains the pre and power supply (dos) or the box contains the pres or power supplies (tz). Price point is about the same. What am I missing ?
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The Duo is a dual mono voltage gain type phono preamp. 2 full chassis, each split in 2. Half is supply, other half is signal. Think a 20/20 taken to the max. Requires 2 power cables. Are you speaking of the Dos Locos perhaps? Based on what you have, and your cartridge, I have to assume this is what you are looking at to upgrade. It is the same form factor, 2 chassis split, requires 2 power cables.
Has anybody had a chance to use the “original” Phono Loco? How does it compare to the newer Sutherland trans impedance phono preamps?
It is a great sounding unit. It has its charms for sure, with a bold driven big sound. The later offerings (LL MK2, TZ Direct) are steps up in refinement, then the Dos Locos takes it to the top and competitive with the best I have ever experienced, including tube type offerings. I have not been able to replace it in my system, and frankly, I find no need to. Has been brilliant for me, in an otherwise all tube system.
I currently own a TZ Vibe that I use with a Goldring Ethos SE.
Hypothetically, if I had a chance to get a Little Loco or a Phono Loco for approximately the same price, which would you recommend?
I can't speaker for the phono loco but just made the jump from the vibe to the little loco MK2 and 100 hours later I have no regrets.
More refined, bigger sound, a grown up vibe with power brick to deal with.
LL MK2 would be the best of these. If comparing LL MK1 to Phono Loco, I may opt for the Phono Loco.
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