Taiko Audio SGM Extreme : the Crème de la Crème

[Taiko Audio]

Switched to “Convert to PCM” from DoP in Roon per @John T recommendation (thanks!) and “The Great Reunion” Louis Armstrong and Duke Ellington 256DSD is playing. Tried DSD256 of ”Ella Fitzgerald in France 1957” and it plays as well! Mystery solved. The DAC is showing 352.8k NOS. It sounds ok. Hell it SOUNDS! I‘m guessing when it played the other day Roon may have had a different setting? It does seem a drag to have to convert to PCM. Hopefully XDMS will allow DSD

Native DSD playback should really work with the Holo May. When „DSD playback strategy“ is set to „Native“ it does not work properly?

 

[ACHiPo]

Native DSD playback should really work with the Holo May. When „DSD playback strategy“ is set to „Native“ it does not work properly?

I don’t see “native”, but I tried DoP and “Initial dCS method” and neither output music. As an aside I am using Roon’s Holo Audio Spring DAC setting—I didn’t find one for a May KTE.

 

[Taiko Audio]

I don’t see “native”, but I tried DoP and “Initial dCS method” and neither output music. As an aside I am using Roon’s Holo Audio Spring DAC setting—I didn’t find one for a May KTE.

Oh, that is surprising, did you try rebooting? Double click the Extreme front button (press, release, wait 1 second, press again, release), it will turn off, then press once more to power it on again, then check if Roon shows native as an option. To make sure, you do have the „ASIO“ output enabled? Not the „Wasapi“ or „System Output“?

 

[John T]

I did a reboot, I don't see Native either: Convert To PCM/DSD Over PCM/Initial dcs method. NO Native. Perhaps this has something to do with my DAC??

 

[steve williams]

why don't you guys do a Team Viewer

 

[John T]

Caught up in the moment Steve, understood...

 

[Taiko Audio]

I did a reboot, I don't see Native either: Convert To PCM/DSD Over PCM/Initial dcs method. NO Native. Perhaps this has something to do with my DAC??

Yes in your case this is correct.

 

[pleroma]

More Greek I’m afraid

I'd typed a longer response but deleted it after I saw Emile was working your issue (he's the man).

To clarify, if you end up thinking files may be corrupted, there are ways to detect it with software utilities like dBpoweramp (MD5 is the footprint the utility checks). Simple stuff for anyone.

SACD ripping is another matter, and covered extensively elsewhere.

Good luck sir!

 

[ACHiPo]

I'd typed a longer response but deleted it after I saw Emile was working your issue (he's the man).

To clarify, if you end up thinking files may be corrupted, there are ways to detect it with software utilities like dBpoweramp (MD5 is the footprint the utility checks). Simple stuff for anyone.

SACD ripping is another matter, and covered extensively elsewhere.

Good luck sir!

Amazing what happens when you RTFM (and listen to Emile)! I hadn’t seen the USB profile manual yet. I followed the instructions and reset the Extreme to ASIO from WASAPI, then set max bits to 24 on Roon instead of 32. I am now getting DSD256 NOS on my DAC. Unfortunately I am also getting an occasional pop every 3-4 min, although it hasn’t happened for the last 30 min so who knows. I am transferring music to the Extreme, so that may be causing it. Otherwise the sound quality seems a tad better with the new settings (yeah I know the SQ suffers during file xfer, but it still sounds darned good).

 

[ACHiPo]

Next dumb question: both my Aurender and Extreme have USB-A sockets. All my cables are A/B. If I get an A/A cable will I be able to “see” the Aurender drive from VNC on Taiko and transfer files?

 

[pleroma]

Amazing what happens when you RTFM! I hadn’t seen the USB profile manual yet. I followed the instructions and reset the Extreme to ASIO from WASAPI, then set max bits to 24 on Roon instead of 32. I am now getting DSD256 NOS on my DAC. Unfortunately I am also getting an occasional pop. I am transferring music to the Extreme, so that may be causing it. Otherwise the sound quality seems a tad better.

LOL. Reminds me of times when I would say the same (with the softer f-word of course

I used to have a big pops with my Vivaldi, but now much smaller ones with the MSB. There is a setting for some ms of silence when sample rates change, maybe in Roon and the DAC settings. Some say that's supposed to help, but I haven't had much luck with it.

 

[pleroma]

Next dumb question: both my Aurender and Extreme have USB-A sockets. All my cables are A/B. If I get an A/A cable will I be able to “see” the Aurender drive from VNC on Taiko and transfer files?

I can only make a stab at this, but I think the Aurender would have to be attached to your network, assuming they've shared your library folder. Then since the Extreme music folder is, you could copy using Windows Explorer on any Windows machine.

 

[ACHiPo]

LOL. Reminds me of times when I would say the same (with the softer f-word of course

I used to have a big pops with my Vivaldi, but now much smaller ones with the MSB. There is a setting for some ms of silence when sample rates change, maybe in Roon and the DAC settings. Some say that's supposed to help, but I haven't had much luck with it.

It's been another 30 min or so with no more pops, so either it was what I was playing or an artifact with xfer.

 

[MarkusBarkus]

There is a setting for some ms of silence when sample rates change, maybe in Roon and the DAC settings. Some say that's supposed to help, but I haven't had much luck with it.

...my understanding is this "delay" option will be included in XDMS at some point. In my case (and others) with MSB Ref dac, I actually miss a small amount of each song while the dac is trying to lock onto the output signal. Irking me for six or seven months now.

 

[ACHiPo]

I can only make a stab at this, but I think the Aurender would have to be attached to your network, assuming they've shared your library folder. Then since the Extreme music folder is, you could copy using Windows Explorer on any Windows machine.

Thanks. I'm trying to work around a logistics issue. I'd hoped I could connect the Extreme to my mesh with Ethernet cable and then connect the Aurender to the Extreme using the second Ethernet socket on the Extreme. This doesn't seem to work to allow me to see the Aurender on my network so I can't use Windows Explorer to xfer files. I've transferred all of the non-SACD files from my back up drive, many of which are duplicates of files on the Aurender, but the Aurender does have probably close to 1GB of unique files that I don't have on my back up HDD due to space constraints. I was hoping to use USB on the Extreme to "see" the Aurender drives and just xfer the files that way.

 

[cat6man]

@Taiko Audio

i know everyone is working flat out but could we please have a status update [nothing legally binding] on xdms' approximate availability? August? Q3? Q4?

thanks

 

[pleroma]

...my understanding is this "delay" option will be included in XDMS at some point. In my case (and others) with MSB Ref dac, I actually miss a small amount of each song while the dac is trying to lock onto the output signal. Irking me for six or seven months now.

I experience that loss sometimes when playing a track for the first time, but if I restart the track it plays correctly. I chalked it up to internal buffering or synchronization. Maybe the delay is doing something, but I usually set it at a subtle 500ms.

 

[rando]

@rando thanks. Will check it out. I am really trying to avoid the Windows/PC rabbit hole (what I referred to as purgatory when I built PCs back in the day), but it’s clear I need to learn a bit if I’m going to use my SACD ISOs on the Taiko.

Fairly sure Extreme couldn't care less what OS does the conversion so long as you end up with DSD. Windows just happens to have a few programs of established pedigree.

IF dropping your ISO folder into a program window and hitting start is purgatory. I'd like to hear your ideas on heaven.

 

[oldmustang]

LOL. Reminds me of times when I would say the same (with the softer f-word of course

I used to have a big pops with my Vivaldi, but now much smaller ones with the MSB. There is a setting for some ms of silence when sample rates change, maybe in Roon and the DAC settings. Some say that's supposed to help, but I haven't had much luck with it.

Roon definitely has a setting for adjusting delay between tracks (The Taiko pdf for Roon settings shows this).

Interesting. No pops here with a Vivaldi system, just soft clicks from the DAC and Upsampler's relays when sample rate and filter settings auto-change. There are some documented problems with earlier versions of SACD ripping software that can cause pops, generally at track transitions IIRC but those have supposedly been taken care of or greatly reduced in the latest versions of SACD ripping software.

I'm almost exclusively using TAS but haven't heard any popping with Roon at track transistions or otherwise (I do have the Roon settings per Taiko's recommendations).

 

[ACHiPo]

Fairly sure Extreme couldn't care less what OS does the conversion so long as you end up with DSD. Windows just happens to have a few programs of established pedigree.

IF dropping your ISO folder into a program window and hitting start is purgatory. I'd like to hear your ideas on heaven.

The purgatory part is when things almost but don't quite work right and you spend an entire weekend trying to get everything running. Dropping into a plug-n-play app is easy peasie. It seems that's seldom the case.