Telefunken NOS 6922 tubes are they worth the Money?

marty

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Can you give some examples?
Ah, understood. But that's mainly why I sent the link. Brent reviews several dozen 6922 tubes brand by brand and model by model in far more detail and quantity than I could, and many of his tubes are inexpensive. His suggestions are far more enlightened than ones I could ever make!
 
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And reliable! Brent's tubes are the only ones that haven't broken down after a dozen plus unsuccessful punts elsewhere.
 
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And reliable! Brent's tubes are the only ones that haven't broken down after a dozen plus unsuccessful punts elsewhere.
I had exactly the same experience. I bought a 6922 from Upscale Audio and it started to make some noise after a month or so. I called and asked for a replacement under warranty. He said he told me, at time of purchase, that there was no warranty due to excessive gain on my CJ ET5 preamp. He also said this will cause all 6922 tubes to fail prematurely within a year.

He did not inform me of the warranty issue at time of purchase, told me I was lying and was very rude and unprofessional.

Went to Brent Jessee and he offered a two year warranty and told me my pre gain should not be an issue. I purchased a NOS 1970's German made Siemens in January 2017. Still running strong with no noise / no issues and I listen to lots of music.

Bottom line and buyer beware. Be very careful who you purchase tubes from. Like all things audio, there are reputable folks that know what they are doing and those who don't.
 
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The SFL-1 has a single tube with a 6.3 V filament regulated supply. If you can get it modified for 7V - something technically simple - you can use the otherwise the same tube the PCC88 - much cheaper and easy to find. Beware with ECC88 Telefunken tubes - the market is filled with false tubes that even include the famous diamond marking in the bottom.
 

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I have used both the Amperex 6922 and 7308 (I think these are a direct replacement) as well as Mullard CV2492s. There are a lot of really good choices for less than $250 a pair. Even some of the Sylvanias sound very nice.
 
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I had exactly the same experience. I bought a 6922 from Upscale Audio and it started to make some noise after a month or so. I called and asked for a replacement under warranty. He said he told me, at time of purchase, that there was no warranty due to excessive gain on my CJ ET5 preamp. He also said this will cause all 6922 tubes to fail prematurely within a year.

He did not inform me of the warranty issue at time of purchase, told me I was lying and was very rude and unprofessional.

Went to Brent Jessee and he offered a two year warranty and told me my pre gain should not be an issue. I purchased a NOS 1970's German made Siemens in January 2017. Still running strong with no noise / no issues and I listen to lots of music.

Bottom line and buyer beware. Be very careful who you purchase tubes from. Like all things audio, there are reputable folks that know what they are doing and those who don't.
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I've been dealing with Brent Jesse for decades. Totally reliable, honest, and more important, reachable with rapid response times. He even replaced a noisy Mullard under warranty! My experience with Upscale Audio was the opposite. I found then somewhat deceptive and unreliable. I will never deal with them again (since I am now banned from their store!) after they refused to refund me for tubes that did not meet my expectations for balanced triode sections. Even more than that, it was their arrogant attitude I couldn't stand.
 
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Big fan of Brent Jessee as well...probably 15 years and running?
 
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I love the Tele E88cc in my First Sound Preamp. I have 6 pairs.

It is also fantastic in my Audion Black Shadow amp, but I also love the Siemens in the Amp. Not as much in the preamp.

My old CJ liked the Amprex white label 6922 bugle boy.

My preamp and Audion do not like the Amprex.
 
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Very keen on the Amperex 6922, 1965 “USN”, White Label, Gold Pins.
Use these on the outputs of my ModWright Modded Pioneer CD Player.
Also use the Amperex 7119, D Getter, Pinched Waist (Late 1950s) in my PreAmp.
They produce a vivid, somewhat SS sound profile.
I totally recommend Andy Bouwman from Vintage Tube Services (Vacuum Tube Yoda)
 
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I've been dealing with Brent Jesse for decades. Totally reliable, honest, and more important, reachable with rapid response times. He even replaced a noisy Mullard under warranty! My experience with Upscale Audio was the opposite. I found then somewhat deceptive and unreliable. I will never deal with them again (since I am now banned from their store!) after they refused to refund me for tubes that did not meet my expectations for balanced triode sections. Even more than that, it was their arrogant attitude I couldn't stand.
Hi Marty,

Thanks for your confirmation on Kevin / owner of Upscale. Also, congratulations to you on getting banned from the store. They seem to be a prime example of predatory, arrogant, unprofessional hi-end dealers that unfortunately exist in our hobby and the exact opposite of Brent Jesse's "the customer comes first" model. Seems we are not alone. Google Upscale Audio and look at the customer reviews.
 
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Hmm! I never had problems with Upscale. Spoke to Kevin many times ... Bought mostly tubes for my ARC .... KT150, 6550 and 6h30. The few NOS I bought, 60's Tele e88cc, Tunsgram .... were fine.

One time a KT150 took out bias resistor in my ARC REF250SE and tube was replaced promptly under warranty.,

I had 3 different SF preamps and PCC88 works fine without modifications.
 
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Hi Marty,

Thanks for your confirmation on Kevin / owner of Upscale. Also, congratulations to you on getting banned from the store. They seem to be a prime example of predatory, arrogant, unprofessional hi-end dealers that unfortunately exist in our hobby and the exact opposite of Brent Jesse's "the customer comes first" model. Seems we are not alone. Google Upscale Audio and look at the customer reviews.

My guess is that many folks have found Upscale to be a good company. They have been around a long time and are obviously successful. My sense is that I prefer to deal with folks like Brent Jesse, who deals mostly with studios and professionals, rather than Kevin, who deals with many pain in the ass audiophiles like us!
 
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Tesla E88CC gold pin factory code 32 yellow print cross-swords.

If you can't get cross-swords then don't worry. The spec above sans the cross sword bit is still outstanding. Cheaper than Teles and Siemens and likelier to be genuine NOS. And every bit as good. Definitely prettier, too.

Made on ex-Telefunken equipment.

Best source eBay, to be quite frank.
 

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Sorry Marty but I respectfully disagree. Most audio types like us are generally polite and respectful but more knowlegable about our hobby. Those who don't know about hi end audio don't have any expectations regarding service and support. Given our experiences as well as other negative customer reviews on the internet, if it looks, smells, feels, tastes and sounds like a duck, it's probably a duck.
 

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Another vote for Brent. I bought all of the output tubes I can think of for my Lampi and he has been great. And he's local, although during Covid that didn't help as he was mail order only!
 

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Brent Jesse is the man. Reach out to him and he will fix you up. Knowing your application and since I have a SF-Line-2 he has some alternatives that are less expensive (still NOS) that it would be very difficult to tell apart on sound signature.
 
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Can you give some examples?

Right now I'm looking at a pair of pair of Telefunken 6922/E88CC 1960-1961 on tubeworldexpress.com for $500. This is Brendan Biever's site (USA) that he moved over from tubeworld.com. Best tube dealer I know for over 20yrs although Andy Bowman is tops for 6SN7.

Marty is right, there are a lot of fine sounding 6DJ8/6922/7308 that are less expensive than the above example - if you can find them. The whole family keeps getting more and more expensive.

First thing you should do is read Parts 1 & 2 of Joe's Tube Lore written in 1999, posted on Audio Asylum. This is an excellent write-up. Wanna know what he says about the Telefunken 6922?

"Telefunken 6922 / E88CC (with shield, diamond bottom, gold pins) Slightly hollow mids, not as rich as the best Siemens and Amperex. A bit like the Siemens E288CC, though a bit better than that tube. A good tube, but the more common & cheaper Siemens 6922s are much better choices IMO. (Absolutely pounds the Russian tubes, though!)"

That was 1999 and the 6922 and 7308 were far more plentiful then though still somewhat scarce.

This is what Brendan wrote on his original tubeworld site:

"The Best Sounding 6922=E88CC ever made are:
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6922 Amperex Holland "Pinched Waist" 1958, many branded Valvo
6922 or CCa Siemens Halske 1950's - 1960's (airy highs, great detail, solid bass)
6922 or CCa Telefunken 1950's - 1960's
6922 Amperex "PQ" Holland Gold Pins white printing 1960-1966 (older the better)
6922 Amperex Holland branded Amperex or Philips Miniwatt or Mullard Holland
or Philips Holland "SQ" 1960's
6922 Mullard 1960's
CV2493=E88CC-01 Mullard late 1960's to mid-1970's
6922 Amperex USA "PQ" white printing 1960's then orange printing 1967-1972
GB-6922 Sylvania GOld Brand Gold Pins 1960's
6922 Sylvania, many are branded RCA 1970's - 1980's
6922 Tesla Gold Pins - older stock (very good value)

I always bought top quality 7308s when I could fine them. Here's Brendan again:

*7308 Amperex Holland "PQ" white printing with 2 Stars on tube 1959 - 1960
7308 Siemens 1960's - 1970's
7308 Philips Miniwatt Holland 1958-1972 (the first series had 2 stars on each tube)
7308 Telefunken 1960's
7308 Mullard 1960's - 1970's, many have dimpled disc getter halo
7308 Amperex PQ USA white printing 1960-1967
7308 Amperex PQ USA orange printing 1967 - mid 1970's
7308 Amperex JAN and USN-CEP-7308 Amperex white label 1960's
7308 Sylvania JAN and Philips JAN USA late 1960's to early 1980's
7308 Siemens 1980's (avoid these, poor sound, all have getter halo on single post in center of tube)

* best 7308 I've used

6DJ8s don't last as long, are usually cheaper, and some sound fantastic. And again:

6DJ8 Siemens West Germany 1960's (nothing beats this tube; accurate, open, focused, detailed, airy, tight bass)
6DJ8 Amperex Bugle Boy Holland "D" getter 1950's (superbly musical 6DJ8, nice articulate bass, 3D sound)
6DJ8 Telefunken West Germany 1960's (a little bass shy, but superbly smooth and listenable long term)
6DJ8 Amperex Bugle Boy Holland 1960's
6DJ8 Amperex Holland 1960's and Amperex Holland Globe Logo late 1960's - mid 1970's (some are branded Philips Miniwatt)
CV5358=6DJ8 Mullard 1960's (smooth, good bass, the older versions are the best)
6DJ8 Mullard 1960's (either branded Mullard or Philips or Amperex Great Britain)
6DJ8 Sylvania late 1960's - mid 1970's (excellent sound for the money, best value)
6DJ8 GE USA 1960's - 1970's (good value)

My Lamm M1.2 Ref monoblocks take a single 6DJ8 family tube each so I only need two - which gives the opportunity to experiment. Here's a few from my box that should be less money than those Telefunkens and sound really good. Some tubes are definitely better than others in general and in specific components.

Philips SQ Holland 1971-1974 6922sq.jpg
6922 Philips SQ Holland 1971
6922 Siemens 1965 Tubeworld order.jpg
6922 Siemens 1965, branded RCA
7308pqplat2.jpg
Amperex 7308 Holland
 
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I would like to add here that the russian tubes are outstanding in their own right but are no substitutes for any of the mentioned tubes ...

The russian 6922 "copy" is no 6922 at all. It is similar but no copy so please do not compare them one to one (even the specs are different).

If an amp is designed around russian tubes it can be as good as it gets.

But i would never use a russian 6922 replacing a CCa in my vintage mixing console (or for any other for that matter).

Best wishes,

Frank
 
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